• THE HILL ABDUCTION CASE P

    From Jerry Woody@RICKSBBS to All on Sunday, July 12, 2026 05:51:00
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    INTELLIGENCE, MEDIA CONNECTIONS IN UFO CASES
    UFOsearch / Val Germann / Columbia, Mo. / 1990

    #2 The Hill Abduction Case, 1961, source: Interrupted Journey

    SEPT. 18-19 [Sept. 19-20] Barney and Betty Hill abducted in the White
    Mountains of New Hampshire. They remember part of the experience but
    have over 2 hours of "missing time," of which they are totally unaware
    at first. Barney remembers seeing huge object with "fins with red
    lights on the ends" and "crew members behind glass" panels at very
    short range. This object was more than 100 feet across and hovered 50
    feet above the ground only 300 feet away for several minutes Barney
    watched through binoculars. SEPT. 20 Betty Hill calls her sister and
    tells her part of the story. Sister then calls a local physicist who
    suggested they check for radiation. Sister also calls local police
    chief who suggests they call Pease AFB, Portsmouth, N.H. Betty calls
    the Air Force Base, worried about radiation. The officer who answers
    was at first "cynical and unresponsive" but finally did ask to talk to
    Barney. After Barney mentioned the "fins with lights" the officer
    perked up and said the call was being "monitored". Barney felt that the
    officer was definitely interested. Barney did not mention the figures
    he had seen behind the glass through binoculars. SEPT. 21 Major Paul
    Anderson, Intelligence Officer for the 100th Bomb Group, Pease AFB,
    calls back, says he has stayed up all night working on a report of this
    incident. Asked Barney for the size of the object. Barney says it
    appeared as big as a dinner plate held at arms length. Major Anderson
    filed a report with Blue Book, #100-1-61. SEPT. 23 Betty [Barney] Hill
    Goes to the local Library and finds one of Major Donald Keyhoe's books
    on UFOs. Takes down his address. SEPT. 26 Betty Hill writes to Keyhoe
    in Washington, D.C., describing the incident as she remembers it.
    Fuller reports that NICAP (Keyhoe's organization) was getting 40,000
    letters a year. SEPT. 30 Ten days after the sighting Betty Hill begins
    to have a series of vivid and awesome dreams, which Fuller does not
    tell us about. They continue for five days and then stop. OCT. 4 Keyhoe
    is asked to lunch by Robert Hohman and someone named C.D. Jackson,
    "senior engineer" for a "notable electronics company", name withheld.
    They are supposedly working on a paper about extra-terrestrial contacts
    that Nikola Tesla, David Todd and Marconi were alleged to have
    experienced in the early part of the century. Keyhoe tells them about
    the Hills. OCT. 21 Walter Webb, investigtaor for Keyhoe's NICAP and an
    astronomer [lec-turer] with the Hayden Planetarium, New York, N.Y.,
    comes to interview the Hills. He is there several hours. Betty does not
    tell him about her dreams. Barney tells of the "captain" and others he
    saw through the glass. OCT. 25? Betty begins to have a series of dreams
    following an experience in the car. She had panicked as she and Barney
    had come upon a stalled auto in the road with some people standing
    around it. That night she dreamed of being taken into a UFO and given
    some sort of examination. OCT. 26 Webb's report goes to NICAP in
    Washington. He had not been contacted by Keyhoe directly but through
    the mail by Richard Hall, NICAP's secretary. He had been skeptical. He
    was very much impressed by the Hills, however. NOV. 3 Hohman and
    Jackson write the Hills asking for an interview. They tell the Hills
    that they are serious minded men whose interest is in "verifying the
    origin of these vehicles according to existing scientific theory
    maintained by Hermann Oberth." Oberth was of V-2 rocket fame. They did
    not reveal their place of employment but permission was granted. NOV.
    25 Hohman and Jackson come to the house to interview the Hills. "Also
    visiting that day" is Major James McDonald, a long-time friend of the
    Hills and an Air Force intelligence officer. It appears he asks no
    questions about who Homan and Jackson are. The Hills had "discussed the
    case many times with Maj. McDonald." The three of them spend 12 hours
    talking to the Hills about their experience, including the "men" behind
    the glass. Major McDonald suggests hypnosis but does not know any
    therapists. The matter rests here for some time. Both Hills begin to be
    concerned about the incident and the chance they may have been
    hallucinating. MAR., 1962 Betty Hill writes to a doctor recommended by
    a colleague. The Hills see him and tell their stories. The doctor
    recommends they wait and see if the problem subsides on its own. No
    therapy is attempted. SUMMER, 1962 Barney begins to see a psychiatrist
    about his anxiety but only briefly mentions the UFO incident. SEPT.,
    1962 The Hills are invited to a "UFO Study Group" to informally talk
    about their experience. That meeting is taped, by whom Fuller does not
    say, unknown to the Hills. Betty talked of her dreams, the dream of the
    physical examination. SEPT., 1963 The Hills tell their church
    discussion group about the UFO inci-dent. That same day Captain Ben
    Swett, from Pease AFB, was to talk about hyp-nosis, which he had made a
    personal hobby of his. The Hills are encouraged by Major McDonald to
    talk to their church friends about their experience and en-couraged by
    Capt. Swett to undergo hypnosis. Barney is experiencing extreme
    psychological disturbances as a result of the UFO sighting and
    abduction. He would die in the late 1960's at the age of 46. Television
    movie THE UFO INCIDENT with James Earl Jones and Estelle Parsons. Dr.
    Simon had been technical advisor on a WWII movie made by John Huston
    called LET THERE BE LIGHT. JUNE, 1964 Sessions with Dr. Simon end. FALL
    [Oct.], 1965 Sensational articles run in Boston newspaper about the
    Hills experience. Information taken from tape made at the Sept., 1962
    "UFO Study Group" meeting, provenance unknown. NOV., 1965 Unitarian
    Church in Dover, N.H., invites the Hills to talk. Hills meet with
    Admiral Knowles, NICAP, before they speak. Also on program is a Public
    Information Officer from Pease, AFB, who is a member of the Church [not
    a church member] and has helped set up the event. He does not attack
    the Hills. At this time a huge UFO flap was underway in the area and
    hundreds of people were turned away from the church on a cold and raw
    evening. The usual attendance for the weekly Unitarian sessions: 40
    people.

    AS YOU CAN SEE from the simple chronology above (assembled from John
    Fuller's book with difficulty) there is more going on in the Hill case
    than meets the eye. WHO WERE "HOMANN and C.D. Jackson?" Who were they
    really working for? Why was a "major electronics firm" paying them to
    investigate 60-year-old fairy tales about Nikola Tesla? What
    "scientific theories" held by Hermann Oberth could be of interest to an
    "electronics firm." What we actually have here is a "cover" for
    intelligence activity. IN ALIENS FROM SPACE, 1973, Keyhoe says that
    these two "engineers" were "aiding NICAP." That is not the impression
    that is given in Fuller's book. In INTERRUPTED JOURNEY the strong
    impression is that these two gentlemen simply had an independent
    interest due to a strange research assignment from their company. This
    could be accepted in 1966. In 1990 we know better. YOU SEE, by the fall
    of 1963 a gentleman named C.D. Jackson was working for Time/Life
    Corporation in an executive position. In fact, he was helping to
    arrange a $25,000 payment to the widow of Lee Harvey Oswald. IN CASE
    YOU HAVE forgotten, Time/Life bought the Zapruder Film for $150,000 and
    then made sure it was not shown as a film for many years. Then, when it
    was shown, it had been obviously altered. David Lifton in BEST EVIDENCE
    says that the film was at the CIA's photo interpretation lab the day
    Time/Life bought it. DOES THE FACT THAT Donald Keyhoe had lunch with
    C.D. Jackson just after getting Betty Hill's letter "resonate" with
    you? It does with this author. Donald Keyhoe was, in UFOsearch's
    opinion, running a two-track operation. In the public and with his
    organization he was not interested in "contactee" stories. But on deep
    background he was involved with another investigation, one connected
    with the intelligence community. Were they running him? CONSIDER THIS.
    In ALIENS FROM SPACE Keyhoe says that "A well-known journalist, John
    Fuller, had learned of the case in a confidential talk at NICAP. It was
    arranged that he should prepare the record using Dr. Simon's taped
    questions and the Hill's answers." Then Keyhoe says: INTERRUPTED
    JOURNEY received a surprising amount of serious attention compared to
    the usual treatment of "contactee stories." How interesting. YES--AND
    THE "abduction story" has become a staple of the UFO investigator.
    Indeed, the sanitized Hill story became the ONLY abduction movie ever
    made --- before COMMUNION, 1989. And the Hill saga appeared only on the
    small screen, it never ran in theaters. The same could almost be said
    for COMMUNION which was not widely distributed and died a very quick
    death. It will be in video stores by mid-1990 which, I think, is the
    idea. OTHER QUESTIONS: How did it happen that one of the Hill's best
    friends was an Air Force Intelligence Officer who just happened to be
    visiting the day that Hohman and Jackson showed up? Isn't it
    interesting that they were the ones who first made the Hills aware of
    their "missing time?" Isn't it interesting that they were the ones who
    suggested hypnosis? ISN'T IT INTERESTING that the man finally called in
    to do the regressions on the Hills was the Executive officer of the
    Army's main psychiatric hospital during World War II, who did his
    undergraduate work at Johns Hopkins University whose wartime president
    was a member of MAJESTIC-12 and who was the technical advisor on the
    major WWII propaganda film made by the famous director John Huston? The
    Hills went through two other therapists before going to Simon. Did they
    have the money to pay this gentlemen, who must have been very, very
    expensive? This is something Fuller does not talk about. Did NICAP pay
    their way? UNPLEASANT POSSIBILITY The Hills were "set up" by the people
    dealing with the so-called "Greys" out in New Mexico. The Hill case was
    either a deep-cover check on what the "Greys" were doing under the
    "agreement" or it was an even deeper-cover attempt at "disinformation"
    to get "abductions" in play--safely.

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    Mark Steggert of the Space Research Coordination Center at the
    University of Pittsburgh developed a computer program that he calls PAR
    (for Perspective Alteration Routine) that can duplicate the appearance
    of star fields from various viewpoints in space.

    "I was intrigued by the proposal put forth by Marjorie Fish that she
    had interpreted a real star pattern for the alleged map of Betty Hill.
    I was incredulous that models could be used to do an astronometric
    problem," Steggert says. "To my surprise I found that the pattern that
    I derived from my program had a close correspondence to the data from
    Marjorie Fish."

    After several run-throughs, he confirmed the positions determined by
    Marjorie Fish. "I was able to locate potential areas of error, but no
    real errors," Steggert concludes.

    Steggert zeroed in on possibly the only real bone of contention that
    anyone has had with Marjorie Fish's interpretation: The data on some of
    the stars may not be accurate enough for us to make definitive
    conclusions. For example, he says the data from the Smithsonian
    Astrophysical Observatory Catalog, the Royal Astronomical Society
    Observatory Catalog, and the Yale Catalog of Bright Stars "have
    differences of up to two magnitudes and differences in distance
    amounting to 40 percent for the star Gliese 59". Other stars have less
    variations in the data from one catalog to another, but Steggert's
    point is valid. The data on some of the stars in the map is just not
    good enough to make a definitive statement. (The fact that measurements
    of most of the stars in question can only be made at the relatively
    poor equipped southern hemisphere observatories accounts for the less
    reliable data.)

    Using information on the same 15 stars from the Royal Observatory
    catalog (Annals #5), Steggert reports that the pattern does come out
    differently because of the different data, and Gliese 59 shows the
    largest variation. The Gliese catalog uses photometric, trigonometric
    and spectroscopic parallaxes and derives a mean from all three after
    giving various mathematical weights to each value. "The substantial
    variation in catalog material is something that must be overcome," says
    Steggert. "This must be the next step in attempting to evaluate the
    map."

    This point of view is shared by Jeffrey L. Kretsch, an undergraduate
    student who is working under the advisement of J. Allen Hynek at
    Northwestern University in Evanston, Ill. Like Steggert, he too checked
    Marjorie Fish's pattern and found no error in the work. But Kretsch
    reports that when he reconstructed the pattern using trigonometric
    distance measurements instead of the composite measures in the Gliese
    catalog, he found enough variations to move Gliese 95 above the line
    between Gliese 86 and Tau 1 Eridani.

    "The data for some of the stars seems to be very reliable, but a few
    of the pattern stars are not well observed and data on them is somewhat
    conflicting," says Kretsch. The fact that the pattern is less of a
    "good fit" using data from other sources leads Kretsch and others to
    wonder what new observations would do. Would they give a closer fit? Or
    would the pattern become distorted? Marjorie Fish was aware of the
    catalog variations, but has assumed the Gliese catalog is the most
    reliable source material to utilize.

    Is the Gliese catalog the best available data source. According to
    several astronomers who specialize in stellar positions, it probably
    is. Peter Van de Kamp says, "It's first rate. There is none better." He
    says the catalog was compiled with extensive research and care over
    many years.

    A lot of the published trigonometric parallaxes on the stars beyond
    30 light-years are not as accurate as they could be, according to Kyle
    Cudworth of Yerkes Observatory. "Gliese added other criteria to
    compensate and lessen the possible errors," he says.

    The scientific director of the U.S. Naval Observatory, K.A. Strand,
    is among the world's foremost authorities on stellar distances for
    nearby stars. He believes the Gliese catalog "is the most complete and
    comprehensive source available."

    Frank B. Salisbury of the University of Utah has also examined the
    Hill and Fish maps. "The pattern of stars discovered by Marjorie Fish
    fits the map drawn by Betty Hill remarkably well. It's a striking
    coincidence and forces one to take the Hill story more seriously," he
    says. Salisbury is one of the few scientists who has spent some time on
    the UFO problem and has written a book and several articles on the
    subject. A professor of plant physiology, his biology expertise has
    been turned to astronomy on several occasions while studying the
    possibility of biological organisms existing on Mars.

    Salisbury insists that while psychological factors do play an
    important role in UFO phenomena, the Hill story does represent one of
    the most credible reports of incredible events. The fact that the story
    and the map came to light under hypnosis is good evidence that it
    actually took place. "But it is not unequivocal evidence," he cautions.

    Elaborating on this aspect of the incident, Mark Steggert offers
    this: "I am inclined to question the ability of Betty, under
    posthypnotic suggestion, to duplicate the pattern two years after she
    saw it. She noted no grid lines on the pattern for reference. Someone
    should (or perhaps has already) conduct a test to see how well a
    similar patter could be recalled after a substantial period of time.
    The stress she was under at the time is another unknown factor."

    "The derivation of the base data by hypnotic techniques is perhaps
    not as 'far out' as it may seem," says Stanton Friedman. "Several
    police departments around the country use hypnosis on rape victims in
    order to get descriptions of the assailants -- descriptions that would
    otherwise remain repressed. The trauma of such circumstances must be
    comparable in some ways to the Hill incident."

    Is it at all possible we are faced with a hoax?

    "Highly unlikely," says Salisbury -- and the other investigators
    agree. One significant fact against a charade is that the data from the
    Gliese catalog was not published until 1969, five years after the star
    map was drawn by Betty Hill. Prior to 1969, the data could only have
    been obtained from the observatories conducting research on the
    specific stars in question. It is not uncommon for astronomers not to
    divulge their research data -- even to their colleagues -- before it
    appears in print. In general, the entire sequence of events just does
    not smell of falsification. Coincidence, possibly; hoax, improbable.

    Where does all this leave us? Are there creatures inhabiting a planet
    of Zeta 2 Reticuli? Did they visit Earth in 1961? The map indicates
    that the sun has been "visited occasionally". What does that mean? Will
    further study and measurement of the stars in the map change their
    relative positions and thus distort the configuration beyond the limits
    of coincidence?

    The fact that the entire incident hinges on a map drawn under less
    than normal circumstances certainly keeps us from drawing a firm
    conclusion. Exobiologists are united in their opinion that the chance
    of us having neighbors so similar to us, apparently located so close,
    is vanishingly small. But then, we don't even know for certain if there
    is anybody at all out there -- anywhere -- despite the Hill map and
    pronouncements of the most respected scientists.

    The only answer is to continue the search. Someday, perhaps soon, we
    will know.

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    THE FISH-HILL PATTERN STARS

    GLIESE ALTERNATE SPECTRAL W - TOTAL GALACTIC GALACTIC
    CAT NO NAME TYPE VELOCITY SPACE ORBIT ORBIT
    VELOCITY ECCENTRICITY INCL.
    ------ --------- -------- -------- -------- ------------ --------
    17 Zeta Tucanae G2 -38 70 0.1575 .0529
    27 54 Piscium K0 10 45 0.1475 .0260
    59 HD 9540 G8 1 26 0.0436 .0133
    67 HD 10307 G2 0 45 0.1057 .0092
    68 107 Piscium K1 3 43 0.1437 .0134
    71 Tau Ceti G8 12 36 0.2152 .0287
    86 HD 13445 K0 -25 129 0.3492 .0269
    86.1 HD 13435 K2 -37 41 ?????? ????
    95 HD 14412 G5 -10 33 0.1545 .0025
    97 Kappa Fornax G1 -13 35 0.0186 .0078
    111 Tau 1 Eridani F6 14 81 0.0544 .0078
    136 Zeta 1 Reticuli G2 15 79 0.2077 .0321
    138 Zeta 2 Reticuli G1 -27 127 0.2075 .0340
    139 82 Eridani G5 -12 37 0.3602 .0310
    231 Alpha Mensae G5 -13 22 0.1156 .0065
    Sun Sol G5 0 0 0.0559 .0091


    All the stars listed here are main sequence or spectral group V
    stars. Tau Ceti has a slight peculiarity in its spectrum as

    explained in the text. W-velocity is the star's motion in km/sec in
    a direction above or below (-) in the galactic plane. Total space
    velocity relative to the sun is also in km/sec. Data is from the
    Gliese Catalog of Nearby Stars (1969 edition).

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    PATTERN RECOGNITION & ZETA RETICULI

    By Carl Sagan & Steven Soter

    "The Zeta Reticuli Incident" is very provocative. It claims that a
    map, allegedly shown on board a landed extraterrestrial spacecraft to
    Betty Hill in 1961, later drawn by her from memory and published in
    1966, corresponds well to similar maps of the closest stars resembling
    the sun based on stellar positions in the 1969 Gliese Catalog of Nearby
    Stars. The comparison maps were made by Marjorie Fish using a three
    dimensional physical model and later by a group of Ohio State
    University students using a presumably more accurate (i.e., less
    subjective) computer generated projection. The argument rests on how
    well the maps agree and on the statistical significance of the
    comparison.

    Figure 1 [not available here] show the Hill map and the Ohio State
    computer map with connecting lines as given in the ASTRONOMY article.
    The inclusion of these lines (said to represent trade or navigation
    routes) to establish a resemblance between the maps is what a lawyer
    would call "leading the witness". We could just as well have drawn
    lines as in the bottom of Figure 1 to lead the other way. A less biased
    comparison of the two data sets, without connecting lines as in Figure
    2, shows little similarity. Any residual resemblance is enhanced by
    there being the same number of points in each map, and can be accounted
    for by the manner in which these points were selected.

    The computer star map includes the sun and 14 stars selected from a
    list of the 46 nearest stars similar to the sun, derived from the
    Gliese catalog. It is not clear what criteria were used to select
    precisely these 14 stars from the list, other than the desire to find a
    resemblance to the Hill map. However, we can always pick and choose
    from a large random data set some subset that resembles a preconceived
    pattern. If we are free also to select the vantage point (from all
    possible directions for viewing the projection of a three dimensional
    pattern), it is a simple matter to optimize the desired resemblance. Of
    course such a resemblance in the case of selection from a random set is
    a contrivance -- an example of the statistical fallacy known as "the
    enumeration of favorable circumstances".

    The presence of such a fallacy in this case appears even more likely
    when we examine the original Hill drawing, published in The Interrupted
    Journey by John Fuller. In addition to the prominent points that Betty
    Hill connected by lines, her map also includes a number of apparently
    random dots scattered about -- evidently to represent the presence of
    background stars but not meant to suggest actual positions. However,
    three of these dots appear in the version of the Hill map used in the
    comparison, while the others are absent. Thus some selection was made
    even from the original Hill map, although not to the same extent as
    from the Gliese catalog. This allow even greater freedom to contrive a
    resemblance.

    Finally, we lear from The Interrupted Journey that Betty Hill first
    thought she saw a remarkable similarity between her UFO star map and a
    map of the constellation Pegasus published in the New York Times in
    1965 to show the position of the quasar CTA-102. How many star maps,
    derived from the Gliese catalog or elsewhere, have been compared with
    Betty Hill's before a supposed agreement was found? If we suppress
    information on such comparisons we also overestimate the significance
    of the result.

    The argument on "The Zeta Reticuli Incident" demonstrates only that
    if we set out to find a pattern correlation between two nearly random
    data sets by selecting at will certain elements from each and ignoring
    others, we will always be successful. The argument cannot serve even to
    suggest a verification of the Hill story -- which in any case is well
    known to be riddled with internal and external contradictions, and
    which is amenable to interpretations which do not invoke
    extraterrestrial intelligence. Those of us concerned with the
    possibility of extraterrestrial intelligence must take care to demand
    adequately rigorous standards of evidence. It is all too easy, as the
    old Chinese proverb says, for the imprisoned maiden to mistake the
    beating of her own heart for the hoof beats of her rescuer's horse.

    Steven Soter is a research associate working under the advisement of
    Carl Sagan, director of Cornell University's laboratory for Planetary
    Studies.

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    REPLY: By Terence Dickinson

    The question raised by Steven Soter and Carl Sagan concerning the
    pattern resemblance of the Hill map and the computer generated
    projection of the Fish pattern stars is certainly a key question worthy
    of discussion. Next month two authors will make specific comments on
    this point.

    Briefly, there is more to discounting the Fish interpretation than
    pattern resemblance. We would have discounted the Fish interpretation
    immediately on pattern resemblance alone. The fact that all the
    connecting lines join stars in a logical distance progression, and that
    all the stars are solar type stars, is significant. Ms. Fish tried to
    fit hundreds of other viewpoints and this one was the only one that
    even marginally fit and made sense in three dimensions and contained
    solar type stars. in this context, you could not "have just as well
    drawn the lines...to lead the other way".

    Naturally there was a desire to find a resemblance between a group of
    nearby stars and the Hill pattern! That's why Marjorie Fish built six
    models of the solar neighborhood containing the relative positions of
    up to 256 nearby stars. The fact that she came up with a pattern that
    fits as well as it does is a tribute to her perseverance and the
    accuracy of the models. Stars cannot be moved around "to optimize the
    desired resemblance". Indeed Marjorie Fish first tried models using
    nearby stars of other than strictly solar type as defined in the
    article. She found no resemblances.

    The three triangle dots selected from the background dots in the Hill
    map were selected because Mrs. Hill said they were more prominent than
    the other background stars. Such testimony was the basis of the
    original map so we either accept Mrs. Hill's observations and attempt
    to analyze them or reject the whole incident. We feel there is
    sufficient evidence compelling us not to reject the whole incident at
    this time.

    We too are demanding rigorous standards of evidence to establish the
    reality of extraterrestrial intelligence. If there is even the
    slightest possibility that the Hills' encounter can provide information
    about such life, we feel it is worth pursuing. The map is worthy of
    examination by as many critical minds as possible.

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    REPLY: By David R. Saunders

    Last month, Steven Soter and Carl Sagan offered two counterarguments
    relating to Terence Dickinson's article, "The Zeta Reticuli Incident"
    (ASTRONOMY, December 1974).

    Their first argument was to observe that the inclusion of connecting
    lines in certain maps "is what a lawyer would call 'leading the
    witness'." This was used as the minor premise in a syllogism for which
    the major premise was never stated. Whether we should consider "leading
    the witness" a sin or not will depend on how we conceive the purpose of
    the original article. The implied analogy between ASTRONOMY magazine
    and a court of law is tenuous at best; an expository article written
    for a nonprofessional audience is entitled, in my opinion, to do all it
    can to facilitate communication -- assuming that the underlying message
    is honest. Much of what we call formal education is really little more
    than "leading the witness", and no one who accepts the educational
    goals objects very strongly to this process. In this context, we may
    also observe that Soter's and Sagan's first argument provides another
    illustrative example of "leading the witness"; the argument attacks
    procedure, not substance -- and serves only to blunt the reader's
    possible criticism of the forthcoming second argument. This paragraph
    may also be construed as an effort to lead the witness. Once we have
    been sensitized to the possibilities, none of us needs to be further
    misled!

    The second argument offered by Soter and Sagan does attack a
    substance. Indeed, the editorial decision to publish the original
    article was a responsible decision only if the issues raised by this
    second line of possible argument were fully considered. Whenever a
    statistical inference is made from selected data, it is crucial to
    determine the strenuousness of that selection and then to appropriately
    discount the apparent clarity of the inference. By raising the issue of
    the possible effects of selection, Soter and Sagan are right on target.
    However, by failing to treat the matter with quantitative objectivity (
    by failing to weigh the evidence in each direction numerically, for
    example), they might easily perform a net disservice.

    In some situations, the weight of the appropriate discount will
    suffice to cancel the clarity of a proposed inference -- and we will
    properly dismiss the proposal as a mere capitalization on chance, or a
    lucky outcome. (It is abundantly clear that Soter and Sagan regard the
    star map results as just such a fortuitous outcome.) In some other
    situations, the weight of the appropriate discount may be fully applied
    without accounting for the clarity of the inference as a potentially
    valid discovery. For example, if I proposed to infer from four
    consecutive coin tosses observed as heads that the coin would always
    yield heads, you would properly dismiss this proposal as unwarranted by
    the data. However, if I proposed exactly the same inference based on 40
    similar consecutive observations of heads, you would almost certainly
    accept the inference and begin looking with me for a more systematic
    explanation of the data. The crucial difference here is the purely
    quantitative distinction between 4 and 40; the two situations are
    otherwise identical and cannot be distinguished by any purely
    qualitative argument.

    When Soter and Sagan use phrases such as "some subset that
    resembles", "free also to select the vantage point", "simple matter to
    optimize", and "freedom to contrive a resemblance", they are speaking
    qualitatively about matters that should (and can) be treated
    quantitatively. Being based only on this level of argument, Soter's and
    Sagan's conclusions can only be regarded as inconclusive.

    A complete quantitative examination of this problem will require the
    numerical estimation of at least three factors, and their expression in
    a uniform metric so that wee can see which way the weight of the
    evidence is leaning. The most convenient common metric will be that of
    "bits of information", which is equivalent to counting consecutive
    heads in the previous example.

    One key factor is the degree of resemblance between the Hill map and
    the optimally similar computer-drawn map. Precisely how many
    consecutive heads is this resemblance equivalent to? A second key
    factor is the precise size of the population of stars from which the
    computer was allowed to make its selection. And a third key factor is
    the precise dimensionality of the space in which the computer was free
    to choose the best vantage point. If the first factor exceeds the sum
    of the other two by a sufficient margin, we are justified in insisting
    on a systematic explanation for the data.

    The third factor is the easiest to deal with. The dimensionality of
    the vantage-point space is not more than three. A property of the
    metric system for weighing evidence is that each independent dimension
    of freedom leads us to expect the equivalent of one more consecutive
    head in the observed data. Three dimensions of freedom are worth
    exactly 3.0 bits. In the end, even three bits will be seen as
    relatively minor.

    The second factor might be much larger than this, and deserve
    relatively more discussion. The appropriate discount for this selection
    will be log2C, where C is the number of distinct combinations of stars
    "available" to the computer. If we were to agree that C must represent
    the possible combinations of 46 stars taken 14 at a time, then log2C
    would be 37.8 bits; this would be far more than enough to kill the
    proposed inference. However, not all these combinations are equally
    plausible. We really should consider only combinations that are
    adjacent to one another and to the sun, but it is awkward to try to
    specify exactly which combinations these are.

    The really exciting moment in working with these data came with the
    realization that in the real universe, our sun belongs to a closed
    cluster together with just six of the other admissible stars -- Tau
    Ceti, 82 Eridani, Zeta Tucanae, Alpha Mensae, and Zeta 1 and Zeta 2
    Reticuli. The real configuration of interstellar distances is such that
    an explorer starting from any of the seven should visit all of them
    before venturing outside. If the Hill map is assumed to include the
    sun, then it should include the other members of this cluster within an
    unbroken network of connections, and the other connected stars should
    be relatively adjacent in the real universe.

    Zeta Reticuli occupies a central position in all of the relatively
    few combinations that now remain plausible. However, in my opinion, the
    adjacency criteria do leave some remnant ambiguity concerning the
    combination of real stars to be matched against the Hill map -- but
    only with respect to the region farthest from the sun. The stars in the
    closed cluster and those in the chain leading to Gliese 67 must be
    included, as well as Gliese 86 and two others from a set of five
    candidates. Log2C for this remnant selection is 3.9 bits. we must also
    notice that the constraint that Zeta Tucanae be occulted by Zeta
    Reticuli reduces the dimensionality of the vantage-point space from 3.0
    to 1.0. Thus, the sum of factors two and three is now estimated as only
    4.9 bits.

    The first factor is also awkward to evaluate -- simply because there
    is no standard statistical technique for comparing points on two maps.
    Using an approximation based on rank-order correlation, I've guessed
    that the number we seek here is between 11 and 16. (This is the result
    cited by Dickinson on page 15 of the original article.) Deducting the
    second and third factors, this rough analysis leaves us with an
    empirical result whose net meaning is equivalent to observing at least
    6 to 11 consecutive heads. (I say "at least", because there are other
    factors contributing to the total picture -- not discussed either by
    Dickinson or by Soter and Sagan -- that could be adduced to enhance
    this figure. For example, the computed vantage point is in good
    agreement with Betty Hill's reported position when observing the map,
    and the coordinate system implicit in the boundaries of the map is in
    good agreement with a natural galactic coordinate system. Neither have
    we discussed any quantitative use of the connections drawn on the Hill
    map, which were put there in advance of any of these analyses.)

    In the final interpretation, it will always be possible to argue that
    5 or 10 or even 15 bits of remarkable information simply isn't enough.
    However, this is a matter for each of us to decide independently. In
    deciding this matter, it is more important that we be consistent with
    ourselves (as we review a large number of uncertain interpretations of
    data that we have made) than that we be in agreement with some external
    authority. I do believe, though, that relatively few individuals will
    continue a coin-tossing match in which their total experience is
    equivalent to even six consecutive losses. In scientific matters, my
    own standard is that I'm interested in any result that has five or more
    bits of information supporting it -- though I prefer not to stick my
    neck out publicly on the basis of less than 10. Adhering to this
    standard, I continue to find the star map results exceedingly
    interesting.

    Dr. David R. Saunders is a Research Associate at the University of
    Chicago's Industrial Relations Center.

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    REPLY: By Michael Peck

    Carl Sagan and Steven Soter, in challenging the possibilities
    discussed in "The Zeta Reticuli Incident", suggest that without the
    connecting lines drawn into the Hill map and the Fish interpretation
    there is little resemblance between the two. This statement can be
    tested using only X and Y coordinates of the points in the Hill map and
    a projection of the stars in the Fish pattern. The method used for the
    comparison can be visualized this way:

    Suppose points of the Hill map and the Fish map are plotted on
    separate glass plates. These plates are held parallel (one behind the
    other), and are moved back and forth and rotated until the patterns
    appear as nearly as possible to match. A systematic way of comparing
    the patterns would be to adjust the plates until corresponding pairs of
    points match exactly. Then the other points in the patterns can be
    compared. Repeating this process for all the possible pairs of points
    (there are 105 in this case), the best fit can be found.
    Mathematically, this involves a change of scale and a simple coordinate
    transformation. A computer program was written which, using X and Y
    coordinates measured from a copy of the Hill map and a projection of
    the Fish stars, and using the Hill map as the standard, computed new X
    and Y coordinates for the Fish stars using the process described. From
    these two sets of coordinates, six quantities were calculated: the
    average difference in X and Y; the standard deviation of the
    differences in X and Y, a measure of the amount of variation of the
    differences; and correlation coefficients in X and Y. The coefficient
    of correlation is a quantity used by statisticians to test a suspected
    relation between two sets of data. In this case, for instance, we
    suspect that the X and Y coordinates computed from the Fish map should
    equal the X and Y coordinates of the Hill map. If they matched exactly,
    the correlation coefficients would be one. If there were no correlation
    at all, the value would be near zero. We found that, for the best
    fitting orientation of the Fish stars, there was a correlation
    coefficient in X of 0.95 and in Y of 0.91. In addition, the average
    difference and the standard deviation of the differences were both
    small -- about 1/10 the total range in X and Y. As a comparison, the
    same program was run for a set of random points, with resulting
    correlation coefficients of 1/10 or less (as was expected). We can
    conclude, therefore, that the degree of resemblance between the two
    maps is fairly high.

    From another point of view, it is possible to compute the probability
    that a random set of points will coincide with the Hill map to the
    degree of accuracy observed here. The probability that 15 points chosen
    at random will fall on the points of the Hill map within an error range
    which would make them as close as the Fish map is about one chance in
    10 to the fifteenth power (one million billion). It is 1,000 times more
    probable that a person could predict a bridge hand dealt from a fair
    deck.

    Michael Peck is an astronomy student at Northwestern University in
    Illinois.

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    REBUTTAL: To David Saunders and Michael Peck
    By Carl Sagan and Steven Soter

    Dr. David Saunders last month claimed to have demonstrated the
    statistical significance of the Hill map, which was allegedly found on
    board a landed UFO and supposedly depicted the sun and 14 nearby
    sunlike stars. The Hill map was said to resemble the Fish map -- the
    latter being an optimal two-dimensional projection of a three-
    dimensional model prepared by selecting 14 stars from a positional list
    of the 46 nearest known sunlike stars. Saunders' argument can be
    expressed by the equation SS = Dr -(SF + VP), in which all quantities
    are in information bits. SS is the statistical significance of the
    correlation between the two maps, DR is the degree of resemblance
    between them, SF is a selection factor depending on the number of stars
    chosen and the size of the list, and VP is the information content
    provided by a free choice in three dimensions of the vantage point for
    projecting the map. Saunders finds SS = 6 to 11 bits, meaning that the
    correlation is equivalent to between 6 and 11 consecutive heads in a
    coin toss and therefore probably not accidental. The procedure is
    acceptable in principle, but the result depends entirely on how the
    quantities on the right-hand side of the equation were chosen.

    For the degree of resemblance between the two maps, Saunders claims
    that DR = 11 to 16 bits, which he admits is only a guess -- but we will
    let it stand. For the selection factor, he at first takes SF = log2C =
    37.8 bits, where C represents the combinations of 46 things taken 14 at
    a time. Realizing that the size of this factor alone will cause SS to
    be negative and wipe out his argument, he makes a number of ad hoc
    adjustments based essentially on his interpretation of the internal
    logic of the Hill map, and SF somehow gets reduced to only 3.9 bits.
    For the present, we will let even that stand in order to avoid becoming
    embroiled in a discussion of how an explorer from the star Zeta
    Reticuli would choose to arrange his/her/its travel itinerary --a
    matter about which we can claim no particular knowledge. However, we
    must bear in mind that a truly unprejudiced examination of the data
    with no a priori interpretations would give SF = 37.8 bits.

    It is Saunders' choice of the vantage point factor VP with which we
    must take strongest issue, for this is a matter of geometry and simple
    pattern recognition. Saunders assumes that free choice of the vantage
    point for viewing a three-dimensional model of 15 stars is worth only
    VP = 3 bits. He then reduces the information content of directionality
    to one bit by introducing the "constraint" that the star Zeta Tucanae
    be occulted by Zeta Reticuli (with no special notation on the Hill map
    to mark this peculiarity). This ad hoc device is invoked to explain the
    absence of Zeta Tucanae from the Hill map, but it reveals the circular
    reasoning involved. After all, why bother to calculate the statistical
    significance of the supposed map correlation if one has already decided
    which points represent which stars?

    Certainly the selection of vantage point is worth more than three
    bits (not to mention one bit). Probably the easiest circumstance to
    recognize and remember about random projections of the model in
    question are the cases in which two stars appear to be immediately
    adjacent. By viewing the model from all possible directions, there are
    14 distinct ways in which any given star can be seen in projection as
    adjacent to some other star. This can be done for each of the 15 stars,
    giving 210 projected configurations -- each of which would be
    recognized as substantially different from the others in information
    content. And of course there are many additional distinct recognizable
    projections of the 15 stars not involving any two being immediately
    adjacent. (For example, three stars nearly equidistant in a straight
    line are easily recognized, as in Orion's belt.) Thus for a very
    conservative lower bound, the information content determined by choice
    of vantage point (that is, by being allowed to rotate the model about
    three axes) can be taken as at least equal to VP = log2(210) = 7.7
    bits. Using the rest of Saunders' analysis, this would at best yield SS
    = zero to 4.4 bits -- not a very impressive correlation.

    There is another way to understand the large number of bits involved
    in the choice of the vantage point. The stars in question are separated
    by distances of order 10 parsecs. If the vantage point is situated
    above or not too far from the 15 stars, it need only be shifted by
    about 0.17 parsecs to cause a change of one degree in the angle
    subtended by some pair of stars. Now one degree is a very modest
    resolution, corresponding to twice the full moon and is easily detected
    by anyone. For three degrees of freedom, the number of vantage points
    corresponding to this resolution is of order (10/0.17) cubed ~ (60)
    cubed ~ 2 X 10 to the fifth power, corresponding to VP = 17.6 bits.
    This factor alone is sufficient to make SS negative, and to wipe out
    any validity to the supposed correlation.

    Even if we were to accept Saunders' claim that SS = 6 to 11 bits
    (which we obviously do not, particularly in view of the proper value
    for SF), it is not at all clear that this would be statistically
    significant because we are not told how many other possible
    correlations were tried and failed before the Fish map was devised. For
    comparison, there is the well-known correlation between the incidence
    of Andean earthquakes and oppositions of the planet Uranus. It is
    unlikely in the extreme that there is a physical causal mechanism
    operating here -- among other reasons, because there is no correlation
    with oppositions of Jupiter, Saturn or Neptune. But to have found such
    a correlation the investigator must have sought a wide variety of
    correlations of seismic events in many parts of the world with
    oppositions and conjunctions of many astronomical objects. If enough
    correlations are sought, statistics requires that eventually one will
    be found, valid to any level of significance that we wish. Before we
    can determine whether a claimed correlation implies a causal
    connection, we must convince ourselves that the number of correlations
    sought has not been so large as to make the claimed correlation
    meaningless.

    This point can be further illustrated by Saunders' example of
    flipping coins. Suppose we flip a coin once per second for several
    hours. Now let us consider three cases: two heads in a row, 10 heads in
    a row, and 40 heads in a row. We would, of course, think there is
    nothing extraordinary about the first case. Only four attempts at
    flipping two coins are required to have a reasonable expectation value
    of two heads in a row. Ten heads in a row, however, will occur only
    once in every 2 to the tenth power = 1,024 trials, and 40 heads in a
    row will occur only once every 2 to the fortieth ~ 10 to the twelfth
    power trials. At a flip rate of one coin per second, a toss of 10 coins
    requires 10 seconds; 1,024 trials of 10 coins each requires just under
    three hours. But 40 heads in a row at the same rate requires 4 X 10 to
    the thirteenth power seconds or a little over a million years. A run of
    40 consecutive heads in a few hours of coin tossing would certainly be
    strong prima facie evidence of the ability to control the fall of the
    coin. Ten heads in a row under the circumstances we have described
    would provide no convincing evidence at all. It is expected by the law
    of probability. The Hill map correlation is at best claimed by Saunders
    to be in the category of 10 heads in a row, but with no clear statement
    as to the number of unsuccessful trials previously attempted.

    Michael Peck finds a high degree of correlation between the Hill map
    and the Fish map, and thereby also misses the central point of our
    original criticism: that the stars in the Fish map were already
    preselected in order to maximize that very correlation. Peck finds one
    chance in 10 to the fifteenth power that 15 random points will
    correlate with the Fish map as well as the Hill map does. However, had
    he selected 15 out of a random sample of, say, 46 points in space, and
    had he simultaneously selected the optimal vantage point in three
    dimensions in order to maximize the resemblance, he could have achieved
    an apparent correlation comparable to that which he claims between the
    Hill and Fish maps. Indeed, the statistical fallacy involved in "the
    enumeration of favorable circumstances" leads necessarily to large, but
    spurious correlations.

    We again conclude that the Zeta Reticuli argument and the entire Hill
    story do not survive critical scrutiny.


    Dr. Steven Soter is a research associate in astronomy and Dr. Carl
    Sagan is director of the Laboratory for Planetary Studies, both at
    Cornell University in Ithaca, N.Y.

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  • From Jerry Woody@RICKSBBS to All on Sunday, July 12, 2026 05:56:00
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    IS THE FISH INTERPRETATION UNIQUE?

    By Robert Sheaffer

    The story of Marjorie Fish's attempts at identifying the star
    patterns sketched by Betty Hill was told in "The Zeta Reticuli
    Incident" by Terence Dickinson in the December 1974 issue. This pattern
    of solar type stars unquestionably bears a striking resemblance to the
    map that Betty Hill says she saw while she was being examined aboard a
    flying saucer. But how significant is this resemblance? Is there only
    one pattern of stars which will match the sketch convincingly?

    Betty Hill herself discovered an impressive resemblance in a star map
    published in the New York Times. In 1965 a map of the stars of the
    constellation Pegasus appeared in that newspaper, accompanying the
    announcement by a Russian radio astronomer (Comrade Sholomitsky) the
    radio source CTA-102, depicted in the map, may be sending out
    intelligent radio signals. Intrigued by this remarkable claim, Betty
    Hill studied the map, and added the corresponding star names to her
    sketch. As you can see, the Pegasus map -- while not exactly like the
    sketch -- is impressively similar. If CTA-102 -- appearing near the
    "globes" in her sketch -- was in reality an artificial radio source,
    that would give the Pegasus map much additional credibility.

    However, the case for the artificial origin of quasar CTA-102 soon
    fell flat. Other scientists were unable to observe these reported
    strange variations which had caused Sholomitsky to suggest that CTA-102
    might be pulsing intelligently.

    In 1966, when Marjorie Fish was just beginning her work, Charles W.
    Atterberg (employed by an aeronautical communications firm in Illinois)
    also set out to attempt to identify this star pattern.

    "I began my search by perusing a star atlas I had on hand," Atterberg
    explained. "I soon realized that this was a pointless and futile
    project." Any star pattern useful for interstellar navigation, he
    reasoned, would not be Earth-centered as are the familiar constellation
    figures. Thus Atterberg began to look in three dimensions for a pattern
    of stars that would approximate the Hill sketch.

    Working from a list of the nearest stars, Atterberg "began plotting
    these stars as they would be seen from various directions. I did this
    by drawing the celestial position of a star, I would draw a straight
    line penetrating the sphere at a known position, and measure out to the
    distance of the star...It at first took me hours to plot this out from
    any one particular direction."

    When plotting the stars as seen from a position indefinitely far away
    on the celestial equator at 17 hours right ascension, Atterberg found a
    pattern of stars conspicuously similar to the Hill sketch. After much
    work he refined this position to 17 hours 30 minutes right ascension, -
    10 degrees declination. The resulting map resembles the Hill sketch
    even more strongly than does the Fish map, and it contains a greater
    number of stars. Furthermore, all of the stars depicted in the
    Atterberg map lie within 18.2 light-years of the sun. The Fish map
    reaches out 53 light-years, where our knowledge of stellar distances is
    much less certain.

    Carl Sagan states in Intelligent Life in the Universe that, excluding
    multiple star systems, "the three nearest stars of potential biological
    interest are Epsilon Eridani, Epsilon Indi and Tau Ceti." These three
    stars from the heart of the Atterberg map, defining the two spheres in
    the very center of the heavy lines that supposedly represent the major
    "trade routes" of the "UFOnauts". Epsilon Eridani and Tau Ceti were the
    two stars listened to by Project Ozma, the pioneering radio search for
    intelligent civilization in space.

    Other heavy lines connect the spheres with the sun, which we know has
    at least one habitable planet. Thinner lines, supposedly representing
    places visited less frequently, connect with Groombridge 1618,
    Groombridge 34, 61 Cygni and Sigma Draconis, which are designated as
    stars "that could have habitable planets" in Stephen H. Dole's Rand
    Corporation study, Habitable Planets for Man. Of the 11 stars (not
    counting the sun) that have allegedly been visited by the aliens, seven
    of them appear on Dole's list. Three of the four stars which are not
    included are stopping points on the trip to Sigma Draconis, which Dole
    considered to have even better prospects than Epsilon Eridani or
    Epsilon Indi for harboring a habitable planet.

    Another remarkable aspect of the Atterberg map is the fact that its
    orientation, unlike the Fish map, is not purely arbitrary. Gould's belt
    -- a concentration of the sky's brightest stars -- is exactly
    perpendicular to the plane of the Atterberg map. Furthermore, it is
    vertical in orientation; it does not cut obliquely across the map, but
    runs exactly up and down. A third curious coincidence: The southpole of
    the Atterberg map points toward the brightest part of Gould's belt, in
    the constellation Carina. The bright stars comprising Gould's belt
    might well serve as a useful reference frame for interstellar
    travelers, and it is quite plausible that they might base a
    navigational coordinate system upon it.

    No other map interpreting the Hill sketch offers any rationale for
    its choice of perspectives. The problem with trying to interpret Betty
    Hill's sketch is that it simply fits too many star patterns. Three such
    patterns have been documented to date. How many more exist
    undiscovered?

    Robert Sheaffer is a computer systems programmer currently working at
    NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, MD.

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    REPLY: By Marjorie Fish

    Basically, Robert Sheaffer's contention is that at least three
    patterns can be found that are similar to Betty Hill's map, and
    therefore, more such interpretations are likely. If one stipulates that
    any stars from any vantage point can be used, then I agree that many
    patterns can be found similar to the map. However, if one uses
    restrictions on the type of stars, according to their probability of
    having planets and also on the logic of the apparent travel paths, then
    it is much more difficult. The three maps were: (1) Betty Hill's
    interpretation of the constellation Pegasus as being similar to her
    map, (2) Charles Atterberg's work, and (3) my work.

    When I started the search, I made a number of restrictions including:

    1) The sun had to be part of the pattern with a line connected to it,
    since the leader of the aliens indicated this to Betty.

    2) Since they came to our solar system, they should also be
    interested in solar type stars (single main sequence G, probably also
    late single main sequence F and early single main sequence K). These
    stars should not be bypassed if they are in the same general volume of
    space.

    3) Since there are a number of the above stars relatively near the
    sun and the pattern shows only 12 stars, the pattern would have to be
    relatively close to us (or else they would be bypassing sunlike stars,
    which is illogical).

    4) The travel pattern itself should be logical. That is, they would
    not zip out 300 light-years, back to 10 light-years, then out 1,000,
    etc. The moves should make a logical progression.

    5) Large young main sequence stars (O, B, A, early F) which are
    unlikely to have planets and/or life would not be likely to be visited.

    6) Stars off the main sequence with the possible exception of those
    just starting off the main sequence would probably be avoided as they
    are unsuitable for life and, due to their variability, could be
    dangerous.

    7) If they go to one star of a given type, it shows interest in that
    type star -- so they should go to other stars of that type if they are
    in the same volume of space. An exception to this might be the closest
    stars to the base star, which they might investigate out of curiosity
    in the early stages of stellar travel. For example, they would not be
    likely to bypass five red dwarfs to stop at the sixth, if all six were
    approximately equal in size, spectra, singleness or multiplicity, etc.
    Or, if they go to one close G double, they would probably go to other
    close G doubles.

    8) The base star or stars is one or both of the large circles with
    the lines radiating from it.

    9) One or both of the base stars should be suitable for life -- F8 to
    K5 using the lowest limits given by exobiologists, or more likely, K1
    given by Dole.

    10) Because the base stars are represented as such large circles, they
    are either intrinsically bigger or brighter than the rest or they are
    closer to the map's surface (the viewer) than the rest -- probably the
    latter. This was later confirmed by Betty Hill.

    Mrs. Hill's interpretation of Pegasus disregards all of these
    criteria.

    Atterberg's work is well done. His positioning of the stars is
    accurate. He complies with criteria 1, 2, 3, 5, 6 and 8; fairly well
    with 4; less well with 9, and breaks down on 7 and 10. I will discuss
    the last three of Atterberg's differences with my basic criteria in the
    following paragraphs:

    Relative to point 9, his base stars are Epsilon Indi and Epsilon
    Eridani, both of which are near the lower limit for life bearing
    planets -- according to most exobiologists -- and not nearly as
    suitable as Zeta 1 and 2 Reticuli.

    Concerning point 7, I had ruled out the red dwarfs fairly early
    because there were so many of them and there were only 12 lined points
    on the Hill map. If one used red dwarfs in logical consecutive order,
    all the lines were used up before the sun was reached. Atterberg used
    red dwarfs for some of his points to make the map resemble Betty Hill's
    but he bypassed equally good similar red dwarfs to reach them. If they
    were interested in red dwarfs, there should have been lines going to
    Gliese 65 (Luyten 76208) which lies near Tau Ceti and about the same
    distance from Epsilon Eridani as Tau Ceti, and Gliese 866 (Luyten 789-
    6) which is closer to Tau Ceti than the sun. Gliese 1 (CD-37 15492) and
    Gliese 887 (CD-36 15693) are relatively close to Epsilon Indi. These
    should have been explored first before red dwarfs farther away.

    Red dwarfs Gliese 406 (Wolf 359) and Gliese 411 (BD + 36 2147) were
    by passed to reach Groombridge 1618 and Ross 128 from the sun.
    Barnard's star would be the most logical first stop out from the sun,
    if one were to stop at red dwarfs, as it is the closest single M and is
    known to have planets.

    Since Atterberg's pattern stars include a number of relatively close
    doubles (61 Cygni, Struve 2398, Groombridge 34 and Kruger 60), there
    should also be a line to Alpha Centauri --but there is not.

    Relating to point 10, Atterberg's base stars are not the largest or
    brightest of his pattern stars. The sun, Tau Ceti, and Sigma Draconis
    are brighter. Nor are they closer to the viewer. The sun and 61 Cygni
    are much closer to the viewer than Epsilon Eridani. The whole
    orientation feels wrong because the base stars are away from the viewer
    and movement is along the lines toward the viewer. (Betty Hill told me
    that she tried to show the size and depth of the stars by the relative
    size of the circles she drew. This and the fact that the map was
    alleged to be 3-D did not come out in Interrupted Journey, so Atterberg
    would not have known that.)

    Sheaffer notes that seven of Atterberg's pattern stars appear on
    Dole's list as stars that could have habitable planets. These stars are
    Groombridge 1618 (Gliese 380, BD + 50 1725), Groombridge 34 (Gliese
    15,BD +43 44), 61 Cygni, Sigma Draconis, Tau Ceti, Epsilon Eridani and
    Epsilon Indi. Of these seven, only Epsilon Eridani, Tau Ceti and Sigma
    Draconis are above Doles' absolute magnitude minimum. The others are
    listed in a table in his book Habitable Planets for Man, but with the
    designation: "Probability of habitable planet very small; less than
    0.001." Epsilon Eridani was discussed earlier. Sigma Draconis appears
    good but is listed as a probable variable in Dorrit Hoffleit's
    Catalogue of Bright Stars. Variability great enough to be noticed from
    Earth at Sigma Draconis' distance would cause problems for life on its
    planets. This leaves Tau Ceti which is one of my pattern stars also.

    Another point Sheaffer made was that orientation of my map was
    arbitrary compared to Atterberg's map's orientation with Gould's belt.
    One of my first questions to Betty Hill was, "Did any bright band or
    concentration of stars show?" This would establish the galactic plane
    and the map's orientation, as well as indicate it was not just a local
    map. But there was none indicating that if the map was valid it was
    probably just a local one.

    The plane of the face of my model map is not random, as Sheaffer
    indicated. It has intrinsic value for the viewer since many of the
    pattern stars form a plane at this viewing angle. The value to the
    viewer is that these stars have their widest viewing separation at that
    angle, and their relative distances are much more easily comprehended.

    My final interpretation of the map was the only one I could find
    where all the restrictions outlined above were met. The fact that only
    stars most suitable for Earthlike planets remained and filled the
    pattern seems significant.

    Marjorie Fish is a research assistant at Oak Ridge National
    Laboratory in Tennessee.

    Jerry
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  • From Cori Schnieder@RICKSBBS to All on Monday, July 13, 2026 06:06:00
    Date: 06-24-91 13:22
    From: Bryce Eckstein
    Subj: Re: CBC Documentary

    Hello Rick!

    In a msg of <20 Jun 91>, Rick Graham writes to Bryce Eckstein:

    > What was the result of the documentary on Betty and Barney Hill? What
    > conclusion was reached?

    The documentary contains commentary and opinion from two reputable
    astronomers and three equally reputable researchers.

    1. Astronomer Terry Dickenson, who's article about the Hill abduction
    in Astronomy Magazine in 1974, first brought the incident to the
    attention of the scientific community.

    2. Amateur Astronomer Marjorie Fisch, found a real three-dimensional
    distribution of stars that perfectly matched Betty Hill's map, first
    published in John Fuller's book, "Interrupted Journey".

    3. Dr. David Jacobs, Assistant Professor of History at Temple
    University in Philadelphia, the only Prof teaching a course in UFO's at
    any major university in the U.S. or Canada, has spent his research time
    for the past five years, exclusively on alien abductions. He's
    interviewed 51 subjects from whom he has collected over 300 abduction
    stories.

    4. Dr. David Gottlieb, a Psychotherapist in Toronto.

    5. Dr. Michael Persinger, a Psychologist and Neuro-Scientist at
    Laurentian University in Sudbury, Ontario. With the exception of Dr.
    Persinger, who examined the Hill incident and compared it to similar
    cases from a neurological viewpoint, all guests on the program
    objectively ruled out hoax and supported the Hill's experience as being
    valid.

    Bottom lines:

    Dr. Gottlieb .. "Beats me!"

    Dr, Jacobs .. (And I paraphrase here) "The whole incident disturbs me
    greatly. I wish the scientific community had not heard of the Hill case
    and other's that I have researched. But now that we have, we must come
    to grips with the fact that ET activity is a reality and make an effort
    to remove the blinders as to what is really going on". Dr. Persinger ..
    goes into how the experiences are likely manifestations of neurological
    activity. Sorry, that's as far as I can take his theories - far too
    deep for my understanding {grin}.

    Marjorie Fisch .. is convinced the Hill star map is valid.

    Terry Dickenson... feels his role in the investigation is that of an
    astronomical referee. Here is a quote from Dickenson, taken from the
    tape:

    "We've got something that can be studied completely from an
    astronomical point of view. It seems to hold up from that angle".
    "Also, Betty Hill drew the map before the star atlases were available
    to interpret it, so there is no possibility of any kind of confusion or
    faking in that regard". "But I back off completely when we start
    talking about the bizarre circumstances that led to the original
    drawing of the map, the abduction scenario, the hypnosis and all the
    rest of it". "I feel totally unqualified to talk about it. I don't know
    where it all stands right now. All I can say is that the map works.
    Nobody else come up with any other interpretation that works, and I
    have to leave it at that". I'm personally convinced Betty and Barney
    Hill had a bona fide CEIII... and I too, will leave it at that.

    Cheers Bryce

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  • From Cori Schnieder@RICKSBBS to All on Monday, July 13, 2026 06:07:00
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    THE ZETA RETICULI INCIDENT

    By Terence Dickinson with related commentary by: Jeffrey L.
    Kretsch, Carl Sagan, Steven Soter, Robert Schaeffer, Marjorie Fish,
    David Saunders, and Michael Peck.

    (C) 1976 by AstroMedia, Corp., publisher of Astronomy Magazine.

    [...]

    the experience [Hill abduction] remains a fascinating story despite the
    absence of proof that it actually happened. Anyway -- that's where
    things were in 1966 when Marjorie Fish, an Ohio schoolteacher, amateur
    astronomer and member of Mensa, became involved. She wondered if the
    objects shown on the map that Betty Hill allegedly observed inside the
    vehicle might represent some actual pattern of celestial objects. To
    get more information about the map she decided to visit Betty Hill in
    the summer of 1969. (Barney Hill died in early 1969.) Here is Ms.
    Fish's account of that meeting:

    "On Aug.4, 1969, Betty Hill discussed the star map with me. Betty
    explained that she drew the map in 1964 under posthypnotic suggestion.
    It was to be drawn only if she could remember it accurately, and she
    was not to pay attention to what she was drawing -- which puts it in
    the realm of automatic drawing. This is a way of getting at repressed
    or forgotten material and can result in unusual accuracy. She made two
    erasures showing her conscious mind took control part of the time.

    "Betty described the map as three-dimensional, like looking through a
    window. The stars were tinted and glowed. The map material was flat and
    thin (not a model), and there were no noticeable lenticular lines like
    one of our three-dimensional processes. (It sounds very much like a
    reflective hologram.) Betty did not shift her position while viewing
    it, so we cannot tell if it would give the same three-dimensional view
    from all positions or if it would be completely three-dimensional.
    Betty estimated the map was approximately three feet wide and two feet
    high with the pattern covering most of the map. She was standing about
    three feet away from it. She said there were many other stars on the
    map but she only (apparently) was able to specifically recall the
    prominent ones connected by lines and a small distinctive triangle off
    to the left. There was no concentration of stars to indicate the Milky
    Way (galactic plane) suggesting that if it represented reality, it
    probably only contained local stars. There were no grid lines."

    [...]

    Now we are ready to return to the map drawn by Betty Hill. Marjorie
    Fish reasoned that if the stars in the Hill map corresponded to a
    patter of real stars -- perhaps something like we just developed, only
    from an alien's viewpoint -- it might be possible to pinpoint the
    origin of the alleged space travelers. Assuming the two stars in the
    foreground of the Hill map were the "base" stars (the sun, a single
    star, was ruled out here), she decided to try to locate the entire
    pattern. She theorized that the Hill map contained only local stars
    since no concentration would be present if a more distant viewpoint was
    assumed and if both "us" and the alien visitors' home base were to be
    represented.

    Let's assume, just as an astronomical exercise, that the map does
    show the sun and the star that is "the sun" to the humanoids. We'll
    take the Hill encounter at face value, and see where it leads.

    Since the aliens were described as "humanoid" and seemed reasonably
    comfortable on this planet, their home planet should be basically like
    ours. Their atmosphere must be similar because the Hills breathed
    without trouble while inside the ship, and the aliens did not appear to
    wear any protective apparatus. And since we assume their biology is
    similar to ours, their planet should have the same temperature regime
    as Earth (Betty and Barney did say it was uncomfortably cold in the
    ship). In essence, then, we assume their home planet must be very
    Earthlike. Based on what we discussed earlier it follows that their sun
    would be on our list if it were within 55 light-years of us.

    The lines on the map, according to Betty Hill, were described by the
    alien as "trade routes" or "places visited occasionally" with the
    dotted lines as "expeditions". Any interpretation of the Betty Hill map
    must retain the logic of these routes (i.e. the lines would link stars
    that would be worth visiting).

    Keeping all this in mind, Marjorie Fish constructed several three-
    dimensional models of the solar neighborhood in hopes of detecting the
    pattern in the Hill map. Using beads dangling on threads, she
    painstakingly recreated our stellar environment. Between Aug. 1968 and
    Feb. 1973, she strung beads, checked data, searched and checked again.
    A suspicious alignment, detected in late 1968, turned out to be almost
    a perfect match once new data from the detailed 1969 edition of the
    Catalog of Nearby Stars became available. (This catalog is often called
    the "Gliese catalog" -- pronounced "glee-see" -- after its principal
    author, Wilhelm Gliese.)


    The 16 stars in the stellar configuration discovered by Marjorie Fish
    are compared with the map drawn by Betty Hill in the diagram on page 6.
    If some of the star names on the Fish map sound familiar, they should.
    Ten of the 16 stars are from the compact group that we selected earlier
    based on the most logical direction to pursue to conduct interstellar
    exploration from Earth.

    Continuing to take the Hill map at face value, the radiating pattern
    of "trade routes" implies that Zeta 1 and Zeta 2 Reticuli are the "hub"
    of exploration or, in the context of the incident, the aliens' home
    base. The sun is at the end of one of the supposedly regular trade
    routes.

    The pair of stars that make up Zeta Reticuli is practically in the
    midst of the cluster of solar type stars that attracted us while we
    were mapping out a logical interstellar voyage. Checking further we
    find that all but two of the stars in the Fish pattern are on the table
    of nearby solar type stars. These two stars are Tau 1 Eridani (an F6
    star) and Gliese 86.1 (K2), and are, respectively, just above and below
    the parameters we arrived at earlier. One star that should be there
    (Zeta Tucanae) is missing probably because it is behind Zeta 1 Reticuli
    at the required viewing angle.

    To summarize, then: (1) the pattern discovered by Marjorie Fish has
    an uncanny resemblance to the map drawn by Betty Hill; (2) the stars
    are mostly the ones that we would visit if we were exploring from Zeta
    Reticuli, and (3) the travel patterns generally make sense.

    Walter Mitchell, professor of astronomy at Ohio State University in
    Columbus, has looked at Marjorie Fish's interpretation of the Betty
    Hill map in detail and tells us, "The more I examine it, the more I am
    impressed by the astronomy involved in Marjorie Fish's work."

    During their examination of the map, Mitchell and some of his
    students inserted the positions of hundreds of nearby stars into a
    computer and had various space vistas brought up on a cathode ray tube
    readout. They requested the computer to put them in a position out
    beyond Zeta Reticuli looking toward the sun. From this viewpoint the
    map pattern obtained by Marjorie Fish was duplicated with virtually no
    variations. Mitchell noted an important and previously unknown fact
    first pointed out by Ms. Fish: The stars in the map are almost in a
    plane; that is, they fill a wheel shaped volume of space that makes
    star hopping from one to another easy and the logical way to go -- and
    that is what is implied by the map that Betty Hill allegedly saw.

    "I can find no major point of quibble with Marjorie Fish's
    interpretation of the Betty Hill map," says David R. Saunders, a
    statistics expert at the Industrial Relations Center of the University
    of Chicago. By various lines of statistical reasoning he concludes that
    the chances of finding a match among 16 stars of a specific spectral
    type among the thousand-odd stars nearest the sun is "at least 1,000 to
    1 against".

    "The odds are about 10,000 to 1 against a random configuration
    matching perfectly with Betty Hill's map," Saunders reports. "But the
    star group identified by Marjorie Fish isn't quite a perfect match, and
    the odds consequently reduce to about 1,000 to 1. That is, there is one
    chance in 1,000 that the observed degree of congruence would occur in
    the volume of space we are discussing.

    "In most fields of investigation where similar statistical methods
    are used, that degree of congruence is rather persuasive," concludes
    Saunders.

    Saunders, who has developed a monumental computerized catalog of more
    than 60,000 UFO sightings, tells us that the Hill case is not unique in
    its general characteristics -- there are other known cases of alleged
    communication with extraterrestrials. But in no other case on record
    have maps ever been mentioned.

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