• Charismatic Chaos - Part

    From Ricky Sutphin@RICKSBBS to All on Sunday, January 25, 2026 03:49:00
    The following message was delivered at Grace Community Church in Panorama
    City, California, By John MacArthur Jr. It was transcribed from the tape,
    GC
    90-57, titled "Charismatic Chaos" Part 6. A copy of the tape can be
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    involved in preaching and the obvious choices I had to make in
    placing the
    correct punctuation in the article.

    It is my intent and prayer that the Holy
    Spirit will use this transcription
    of the sermon, "Charismatic Chaos" Part 6,
    to strengthen and encourage the
    true Church of Jesus Christ.



    Charismatic Chaos - Part 6

    "The Third Wave"
    by
    John
    MacArthur



    It is a somewhat difficult task that falls to me this evening, to
    discuss
    with you, in the series on "Charismatic Chaos," some of the matters
    with
    regard to a movement known as the "The Third Wave." I cannot, by any
    means,
    consider all of the issues, nor can I speak of all those who represent
    that
    movement. But I do want to give you some perspective so that you can
    be
    alert and aware in regard to what is happening.

    Of all of the elements of
    the Charismatic movement, that are contemporary to
    us today, this one is
    getting the most press. Of all the questions that are
    asked to me by people
    who write and call with regard to issues facing us in
    the Charismatic
    movement, this is the most commonly discussed one. The main
    figure in what is
    known as the "Third Wave" is a man by the name of John
    Wimber who is pastor of
    the Vineyard Christian Fellowship in Anaheim. He is
    the major figure in this
    movement that has come to be known as the "Third
    Wave of the Holy Spirit." It
    is sometimes called the "Signs and Wonders"
    movement. And this latest
    Charismatic tide seems to have swept across the
    globe in the last decade. It
    is literally everywhere in the English speaking
    parts of the world.

    The
    term the "Third Wave" was coined by C. Peter Wagner who is a Missions
    professor at Fuller Seminary and the author of several books on church
    growth.
    He is really the leading proponent of the Third Wave philosophy and methodology. According to Wagner, he said, "The First Wave was the
    Pentecostal Movement, the Second Wave was the Charismatic Movement, and now
    the Third Wave is joining them." And by that he means an inundating wave of the power of the Holy Spirit manifesting itself in visible ways. And while acknowledging the Third Wave's spiritual ancestry, that is, that it is the third of those three, Wagner nonetheless rejects the label "Charismatic and Pentecostal." In fact, most of the people in the Third Wave don't want to be identified in that way. Wagner says,

    The Third Wave is a new moving of
    the Holy Spirit among
    evangelicals who for one reason or another have
    chosen not to
    identify with either the Pentecostals or the Charismatics.
    Its
    roots go back a little further but I see it as mainly a movement
    beginning in the 1980's and gathering momentum through the
    closing
    years of the 20th century. I see the Third Wave as
    distinct from, but
    at the same time, very similar to the first
    and second waves. They have
    to be similar because it is the
    same Spirit of God who is doing the
    work. The major variation
    comes in the understanding of the meaning of
    "Baptism in the
    Holy Spirit" and the role of tongues in authenticating
    this. I
    myself, for example, would rather not have people call me a
    Charismatic, I do not consider myself a Charismatic, I am simply
    an
    Evangelical Congregationalist who is open to the Holy Spirit
    working
    through me and my church in any way He chooses.

    He refuses the label
    "Charismatic," not primarily because of any doctrinal
    distinction, but
    primarily because of the stigma attached to the name. It's
    important for me
    to mention that to you because if you talk to someone in the
    Third Wave they
    might endeavor to distance themselves from classic
    Pentecostalism or more
    contemporary Charismaticism, but the fact is that they
    are basically the Third
    Wave by their own admission of the very same kind of
    theology. It is accurate
    then to see the Third Wave as part of the whole
    Charismatic movement as we
    know it. While it is true that many who identify
    with the Third Wave will
    avoid using the term "Charismatic" and they'll even
    avoid using Charismatic
    jargon when writing or speaking about Spirit Baptism
    or other issues.
    Basically, the theology is the same. The terminology may
    change; the
    theology is for all intents and purposes identical. Most Third
    Wave teaching
    and preaching that I have listened to, that I have read, echoes
    standard
    Charismatic theology, and therefore in evaluating the Third Wave, we
    would
    assume that it is safe to say that the other issues that we have been discussing, that we find unbiblical in the Charismatic movement, are
    generally
    true of this movement as well, although there may be some
    individuals in the
    movement who would vary from that.

    So at its very core it is an element of
    the Charismatic movement. At its
    core is an obsession with sensational
    experiences, a preoccupation with the
    "Charismata" that is, tongues,
    healings, prophecies, words of knowledge,
    visions, and ecstatic experiences,
    and that is, of course, where we find the
    indisputable link between the Third
    Wave and the Charismatic and Pentecostal
    movements. In all three movements
    there is a major absorption with these
    supernatural, sensational kind of power
    encounters or power displays as they
    like to call them. They de-emphasize
    what you and I would know as the
    traditional means of spiritual growth:
    prayer, Bible study, the teaching of
    the Word, and the fellowship of other
    believers. They don't intend to do
    that and they wouldn't do that in
    statement or even in print. But because of
    the very surpassing emphasis on
    the sensational experiences, those matters
    tend to get pushed significantly,
    if not all together, into the background.
    Pentecostals, Charismatics, and
    Third Wavers, all will affirm that any
    Christian who is not experiencing some
    supernatural events, some supernatural
    giftedness, some kinds of healings,
    some kinds of prophecies, words of
    knowledge, or manifestations of the Spirit
    of God, in visible tangible ways,
    is really stuck at a low level of spiritual
    progress; is denying the full
    power of God and denying himself the blessing of
    God.

    Now, while those in the Third Wave would like to distance themselves from
    the
    first and second wave, because of its excesses. The truth of the matter
    is,
    the third wave has not managed to avoid any of the excesses that are characteristic of the Pentecostal and Charismatic movements. In fact, there are some in the Charismatic movement who want to distance themselves from the Third Wavers because they feel that they go to excesses that even those Charismatics wouldn't go to.

    A visit, for example, to the Vineyard, would
    reveal to you all the commotion
    of many people speaking in tongues at the same
    time. It would reveal to you
    intense kind of emotional experiences going on
    where people were falling on
    the floor and laying in prone positions for as
    long as an hour, some people
    with their limbs extended. It would reveal to
    you people giving multiple
    prophecies, some of them rather bizarre, and some
    of them with poor grammar,
    and yet claiming they come from the Lord. There
    would be likely an
    experience in which they would clear the floor of chairs
    and they would be
    dancing around in a completely liberated fashion in any form
    that they would
    choose to do that, with people again perhaps falling over,
    climbing on
    chairs, dancing on the top of chairs, and doing all the things
    that once were
    associated with what we used to call, "Holy Rollers." In fact,
    Chuck Smith,
    pastor of Calvary Chapel in Costa Mesa, told one researcher,
    "John Wimber has
    absorbed every abhorrent teaching developed by the
    Pentecostals into his
    teaching."

    Now, all I want you to understand is that
    the Third Wave people very often
    want to see themselves as mainline
    evangelical. They want to distance
    themselves from the Pentecostal,
    Charismatic excesses, and yet it seems to be
    true that the excesses that
    occurred in both the Pentecostal and Charismatic
    movements are very
    characteristic of the Third Wave as well. What makes them
    a bit different is
    that they can line up some teachers and leaders that
    appear to have more
    academic credentials than has been true in the
    Charismatic and Pentecostal
    movement. That may mean, that in the future,
    there will be some correctives
    that will come to some of those excesses,
    which as of yet has not taken place.
    But despite all of their claims to the
    contrary, Third Wave apologists have
    had astonishing success in selling their
    movement as a non-Charismatic
    phenomena. Unsuspecting churches, and I think
    unsuspecting denominations have
    opened their doors and their pulpits to Third
    Wave teachers, I think because
    of their academic credentials and because they
    claim not to be in the line of
    the Charismatics, but in fact, they are.

    If you look very closely at the Third
    Wave you will see in it the very same
    kind of things you see typically in the
    Charismatic movement. And so I want
    to do a little bit closer inspection, and
    as I said we can't by any means
    exhaust this in the next half hour or so as we
    examine it, but I will try to
    put you in touch with some of the issues that
    need to be addressed in a much
    more comprehensive way than I'll be able to do
    tonight. But I hope that I
    can give you enough information to set you in the
    right direction.

    I want to just consider maybe four of the promises that the
    Third Wave makes
    that need to be inspected rather carefully. The first
    promise they make is
    that they are experiencing supernatural Signs and
    Wonders, and that these
    Signs and Wonders come at a rather proliferated rate.
    That is to say they
    are not abnormal, they are not uncommon, they are not few
    and far between,
    but rather they are normal, common, and very often come in a
    flurry. They
    believe that fantastic Signs and Wonders demonstrate the
    genuineness of their
    movement. The fact is that we cannot turn our back on it
    because
    supernatural things are happening all the time. Miraculous phenomena
    is at
    the very heart of the Third Wave credo and experience.

    Third Wave
    people are persuaded they are having miracles, they are having
    visions, they
    are speaking in tongues, giving prophecies, predicting the
    future, reading
    peoples minds (that is, they can stand up in a meeting and
    tell you your home
    address, your mother's maiden name, your father's mother's
    maiden name), and
    all of those kinds of things that we have always associated
    with people like
    the "Amazing Crescan" (sp.) who purvey a certain kind of
    magic, a certain kind
    of con art or whatever you want to call it. But they
    are into these very same
    kind of things. In fact, it was interesting to me
    that one of their leaders
    said that the key to his really "buying into" and
    believing this whole thing
    was when one of their prophets stood up and told
    him, and told the whole
    audience, his mother's maiden name and the true first
    name of his father who
    was only known by a nickname.

    And so they believe that these kind of things
    are happening, that there are
    healings; that there are resurrections from the
    dead, and they frankly view
    Christianity without those things as impotent and
    adulterated by the western
    materialistic mindset. And [they believe that]
    unless we can escape the
    western materialistic mindset and catapult ourselves
    into the Third World
    paradigm, and begin to think in terms of mystical
    phenomena, we are going to
    be locked into a very shallow kind of Christianity.
    Signs and Wonders also
    would be the key, they believe, to Third Wave
    evangelism. Third Wavers say
    that unbelievers must experience the miraculous
    in order to be brought to
    full faith. Merely preaching the gospel message,
    they believe, will never
    reach the world for Christ.

    One of their leaders has
    said, "That we cannot evangelize the world with the
    simple gospel, apart from
    Signs and Wonders." This, in spite of the fact,
    that Paul, in Romans 1, says
    that the simple gospel is the power of God unto
    salvation to everyone who
    believes. But merely preaching the gospel, they
    believe, isn't going to do
    it, it'll never reach the world for Christ. Most
    people will not believe
    without seeing miracles, they say, and those who do
    will be inadequately
    converted, and therefore stunted in their spiritual
    growth. John Wimber,
    himself, cites Elijah's confrontation with the prophets
    of Baal on Mount
    Carmel, as a classic example of power encounter, where the
    power of God
    vanquishes the power of evil.

    Similar Signs and Wonders, say third wave
    gurus are the chief means we will
    be using to spread the gospel. And so what
    they are doing is traveling all
    over the world endeavoring to teach the Church
    how to do Signs and Wonders.
    And you will hear them openly confess, even the
    leaders at the highest level
    and those that are kind of developing into their
    next generation of leaders,
    that they are learning how to do miracles. They
    are learning how to heal the
    sick, raise the dead, read minds, tell people
    their address and phone
    numbers, and their names of their parents. They are
    learning to do that,
    they are learning to call out healings, they are learning
    to read behind
    somebody's face and see the sin that is in them. They are
    learning to do
    that, because that is very essential if they are going to
    convince the world
    that the message is from God.

    Modern miracles workers
    have yet to call down fire from heaven as did Elijah,
    but they may be working
    on that as well. Third Wave officials tell of some
    fantastic Signs and
    Wonders, Wimber, for example, reported an incident where
    a woman's toe, which
    had been cut off, supposedly grew back. He described
    another woman in
    Australia whose cleft palate closed up miraculously three
    days after God him a
    "word of knowledge" that she would be healed. Wagner
    recounted a report from
    an Argentine faith healer, who's in the movement, by
    the name of Carlos
    Anacondia (sp.), who said, two particular manifestations
    of the Holy Spirit
    seem to impress unbelievers more than anything else in his
    crusades, "falling
    in the power of the Spirit" and "filling teeth." On a
    fairly regular basis,
    decayed teeth are filled and new teeth grow where there
    were none before.
    Interestingly enough, according to Anacondia, most
    unbeliever's teeth are
    filled and very few believers get their teeth filled.
    Now, I don't why he
    said that, or even why that's supposedly true, but I have
    another question,
    "Why does God fill teeth instead of just giving them new
    teeth as long as He
    is going to do it?"

    But, nonetheless, whether you are talking about Wagner
    or Wimber, they are
    convinced that these miracles are happening. They are at
    least trying to
    convince us they are happening. Both of them are convinced,
    for example, at
    least from what they say, that many dead people are being
    raised from the
    dead. Many of them, not just some, not just a few, but many.
    And it is
    really difficult to resist the conclusion that these are either
    utter
    fabrications, that have just grown with the telling, or that these
    people are
    so caught in the wish that these things come to pass, that they
    have
    convinced themselves that in fact they do. In the two cases that I
    mentioned
    to you from John Wimber, he maintains that medical doctors witnessed
    the
    events, yet he offers no documentation.

    And you have to ask the
    question somewhere along the line, "Why don't they
    publish proof that these
    events really took place?" It would seem to me that
    if people are being
    raised from the dead, at a fairly regular clip through
    the year, some of these
    people could show up somewhere and there could be
    some evidence. Particularly
    if they had been in the grave for several days
    like Lazarus, because somebody
    would have been there to see them put in the
    ground. And we wonder why they
    don't publish the proof of these things,
    phenomena such as digit and limb
    replacement, the healing of birth defects,
    supernatural dentistry, and raising
    the dead. It seems to me that it would
    be rather easy to document. It would
    certainly help bring about the kind of
    world wide response the Third Wave
    people say they are hoping to have.

    To borrow from one of them, you can only
    imagine if they could take four
    quadriplegics and instantly heal them of their
    quadriplegia. Four who were
    well known by many and been known for years to be
    in that condition, and they
    could step out of the wheel chair and be
    absolutely 100% whole. It wouldn't
    seem too difficult a thing to present the
    evidence for that. And it would
    seem to me to be quite a powerful
    statement.

    But a pattern has begun to emerge from the Third Wave literature,
    and that is
    this, the truly spectacular miracles always seem to involve
    nameless people.
    Real people's miracles tend to be mundane and hard to prove:
    cures involving
    back pain, inner healings, migraine relief, emotional
    deliverance, ringing in
    the ears, maybe some internal problem that is stated
    but not verified. The
    only time you get a detailed, step-by-step, carefully
    laid out description of
    a healing situation is an occasion when the healing
    doesn't happen. You hear
    rather oblique references to the healing that did
    happen, and rather detailed
    descriptions of the ones that don't.

    A prime
    example is Wagner's account of his friend Tom Brewster, a paraplegic,
    who
    believed in healing. Brewster was so hopeful that God would heal him
    that he
    even distributed a "Declaration of Expectation" to his friends--an
    expression
    of his faith that he would one day walk. That faith never
    wavered, Wagner
    says, though it had been almost thirty years since a diving
    accident left him
    confined to a wheel chair. But the miracle never came.
    Brewster died after
    unsuccessful bladder surgery. It's difficult to read
    that account without
    noting how markedly it contrasts with the many supposed
    miracles that these
    Third Wave people account. The most dramatic miracles
    come with only sketchy
    details and are almost nearly always anonymous.
    Rarely do they ever involve
    people who are known personally to those who
    report the miracles. You
    understand that? They are not first hand. And
    whenever you hear the story
    told about the first hand it seems to have a sad
    ending.

    Perhaps the most
    significant man in the life of John Wimber was a British
    Anglican who died of
    cancer, much to the great dismay and concern and sorrow
    of John. A group of
    five medical doctors, Christians, attended a recent
    conference the Third Wave
    had. These men were hoping to establish the truth
    of the claims that
    miraculous healings were taking place. One of them,
    Doctor Philip Seldon
    (sp.) reported,

    The fact that John Wimber knew we were present and
    observing may
    have served to tone down the claims which we understand
    were
    made at previous conferences. Mr. Wimber, himself, referred to
    bad backs and indicated that people could expect pain relief but
    no
    change which could be documented by a doctor. He admitted
    that he had
    never seen a degenerated vertebrae restored to
    normal shape. And as I
    suspected, most of the conditions which
    were prayed over were in the
    psychosomatic, trivial, or
    medically difficult to document categories.
    Problems with left
    great toe, nervous disorder, breathing problems,
    barrenness,
    unequal leg lengths, bad backs and neck.

    The doctor
    concluded, "At this stage we are unaware of any organic healings
    which could
    be proven."

    Now, what explanation is given for people who are not healed,
    because we know
    that many people must go there who have real problems. Right?
    I mean, if
    you hear that miracles are being done and you are looking for that
    to happen
    in your life--you are going to go. And people do not get healed--
    obviously.
    The reasons given are: some people don't have faith in God for
    healing;
    another reason, personal unconfessed sin creates a barrier to God's
    healing
    power; another one they say is persistent and widespread disunity,
    sin, and
    unbelief in bodies of believers and families, inhibits healings in
    individual
    members of the body.

    In other words, they will say, one, "You
    don't have enough faith to be
    healed. Your lack of faith is hindering God."
    Or they will say, "You have
    unconfessed sin in your life and you put a
    barrier between you and God." Or
    they will say, "You are going to a church
    that doesn't believe in healings so
    you are not going to get healed as long as
    you are in that environment." Or
    they will say, "Because of incomplete or
    incorrect diagnosis of what is
    causing your problem, you do not know how to
    pray correctly, and if you don't
    know what your problem is you can't pray
    correctly to get it fixed, it won't
    get fixed, or it might not." "And some
    people," they say further, don't get
    healed because they assume that God
    always heals instantly, and when they
    don't get instantly healed they stop
    praying, so they don't get healed.

    Oddly enough, John Wimber, himself, said,
    "I never blame the sick person for
    lack of faith if healing doesn't come."
    That's a contradictory statement.
    And eventually he is still trying to piece
    together the theology of this. He
    struggles, because he said also, "I have a
    continually expanding group of
    disgruntled people who have come for healing
    and don't get it."

    Now, the reality is, with the Third Wave, with all of its
    emphasis on signs
    and wonders, it has produced nothing really verifiable that
    qualifies in the
    New Testament sense as an authentic sign or wonder, at least
    nothing that
    they have made available. Jesus' miracles must, after all, be
    the standard
    by which we make an evaluation. Right? No one before Jesus or
    since has
    performed as many signs and wonders as He did during His earthly
    ministry.
    His miracles were strikingly different from those produced by the
    modern
    signs and wonders movement. None involved psychosomatic infirmities,
    all
    were visible and verifiable, they were, in short, true signs and wonders.
    We learned some other things about the miracles from our Lord's ministry, chiefly that miracles do not necessarily produce faith in an unbelieving
    heart. Let me say that again, they do not necessarily produce faith in an unbelieving heart. I don't want to say that there aren't times when God can use or has used the miraculous to produce or to assist in producing faith. Faith is a gift from God but it is possible that a miracle has been a
    component in God bringing about that faith. But that is not necessarily what happens, and that certainly cannot be guaranteed to happen. In fact, in the Gospel of John, Jesus did many signs and many wonders. In fact, He proliferated that entire nation of Palestine with signs and wonders. And the people were able to see them and even to participate in them, such as in the feeding of the Great Multitude.

    The net effect of all of that tremendous,
    tremendous, miracle working
    enterprise could be summed up in the words of John
    12:37, "But though He had
    performed so many signs before them, yet they were
    not believing in Him."
    There is no guarantee that because there are miracles
    there will be saving
    faith. It is true that as I said, God may use miracles
    to bring about faith.
    In Acts 9, you might want to look at it for a moment;
    in Acts, chapter 9, in
    verse 32, "Peter was traveling through all those
    parts," writes Luke. "He
    came down to the saints who lived at Lydda. And
    there he found a certain man
    named Aeneas, who had been bedridden eight years,
    for he was paralyzed. And
    peter said to him, 'Aeneas, Jesus Christ heals you;
    arise, and make your
    bed.' And immediately he arose. And all who lived at
    Lydda and Sharon saw
    him, and they turned to the Lord."

    If you were to read
    into the next section, in Joppa, there was a woman there
    named Tabitha (or
    Dorcas). She died and Peter was used to bring her back to
    life. And in verse
    42 it says, "And it became known all over Joppa, and many
    believed in the
    Lord." We don't want to say categorically, that there would
    never be a time
    when God wouldn't cause some miraculous act to be a component
    in the producing
    of faith. But that seems to be the minority effect. The
    majority seem not to
    have such a response. In spite of all of Jesus'
    miracles, raising the dead,
    healing the sick, giving sight to the blind,
    having authority over demons, the
    people rejected Him, the people crucified
    Him, and at the time of His death
    there were only about 120 followers
    gathered in the Upper Room, and that after
    several years of miraculous acts.

    The gospels contain numerous examples of
    people who witnessed Jesus' signs,
    who witnessed His wonders, and yet remained
    in utter unbelief. He rebuked
    the cities where He performed most of His
    miracles: He rebuked Korazim,
    Bethsedia, He rebuked Capernaum, because they
    didn't repent, and because they
    had seen so many miracles. And He even says
    that they were even worse off
    than Sodom and Gomorrah, because Sodom and
    Gomorrah, as bad as it was, would
    have repented if it had seen as much as they
    had seen. John 2:23 tells us
    that, "Many believed in His name, because they
    saw the signs," yet that kind
    of belief was not a saving belief. Jesus didn't
    consider them true
    believers, according to verse 24.

    In John, chapter 6,
    verse 2, the record says that, "A great multitude was
    following Him, because
    they were seeing the signs which He was performing on
    those who were sick."
    And yet, in verse 66, when He began to teach them, and
    He began to speak
    about the spiritual issues that confronted them, it says,
    many of the same
    crowd "withdrew, and were not walking with Him any more."
    So there are times
    when, whatever kind of believing they did, was not
    believing unto salvation.
    In John, chapter 11, Jesus raised Lazarus from the
    dead, a monumental
    miracle. Absolutely monumental! Even His enemies
    couldn't deny it, according
    to John 11:47. But far from believing in Jesus,
    that simply accelerated their
    desire to plot His death.

    Things really weren't much different than that in
    the Book of Acts, in the
    early Church. In Acts 3, Peter and John healed a man
    who had been lame from
    birth and again the Jewish religious leaders didn't
    deny the miracle had
    occurred, according to Acts 4:16. They couldn't deny it,
    but their response
    was far from saving faith. They ordered the Apostles to
    stop speaking in the
    name of Jesus. Go back into the Old Testament and you
    can examine the record
    of Old Testament signs and wonders, they didn't produce
    saving faith either.
    Pharaoh's heart was hardened despite the powerful signs
    and wonders God did
    through Moses. The entire generation of Israelites who
    witnessed those same
    miracles, died in unbelief in the wilderness. It didn't
    seem to lead them to
    any great spiritual level of devotion.

    Despite all the
    miracles performed during the time of Elijah and Elisha, and
    those times when
    God acted miraculously at other seasons, both Israel and
    Judah failed to
    repent and were ultimately carried away into captivity. In
    fact, the very
    account that John Wimber cites as Biblical justification for
    power encounters,
    Elijah's confrontation with the prophets of Baal, is an
    example. The revival
    produced out of that amazing act by which God sent fire
    from heaven and burned
    up stones and water, the amazing, amazing miracle
    produced a very short lived
    response, and within a few days Elijah was hiding
    for fear of his life, and
    Baal worship continued until God finally judged
    Israel.

    Now, that is not to
    say that signs and wonders were not important when God
    used them. It is not
    to say that they never were used by God to be a part of
    the production of
    faith. But that was not the normal result. They often
    attracted people's
    attention so the gospel message could be [preached], and
    people hearing that
    message were saved. But, miracles and signs and wonders,
    in themselves, do
    not produce saving faith. And so when they say they
    promise "signs and
    wonders" it's questionable whether the "signs and wonders"
    are really
    legitimate, and it's questionable whether the "signs and wonders"
    are
    necessary for producing saving faith, since that is not their purpose in
    the
    Scripture generally.

    Secondly, they make the promise of "Powerful
    Evangelism," "Power Evangelism."
    What they are really doing (and this follows
    the first point) is being
    powerful in terms of turning people to God. My
    conviction on this, however,
    is that what they say is "Powerful Evangelism"
    lacks, very often, the very
    necessary element of evangelism which is a clear
    proclamation of gospel
    truth. The saving message gets badly corrupted and
    sometimes even omitted.
    Third Wave books and Third Wave testimonies are
    filled with anecdotes about
    people who supposedly became Christians on the
    basis of some miracle they
    saw; some supernatural wonder they saw, with little
    or no mention of the
    gospel having been proclaimed to them.

    In fact, in the
    book, Power Evangelism, which was John Wimber's main book and
    sort of set this
    thing in motion (it's the main textbook on evangelism),
    there is no reference
    in that whole book to the cross of Christ or the
    doctrine of the atonement. I
    understand, now, that some are endeavoring to
    instruct him in that matter so
    that he can understand that, and that there is
    a revision of that book coming
    out which will delineate a clear doctrine of
    the atonement and the true
    gospel. But, up until now it hasn't seemed to be
    necessary for the expansion
    and explosion of the movement. Soteriology, or
    the doctrine of salvation, an
    accurate gospel message, can hardly be
    considered as a major thrust of this
    movement. In all the fuss about the
    signs and wonders, the content of the
    gospel seems to have been given second
    place.

    One report goes like this,

    A serious consideration by observers in one of the seminars, was
    that there was no gospel in the so-called evangelistic meeting.
    The cross of Jesus was not central, the atonement was not
    explained, and mankind's need and the provision of redemption
    not
    even cursorily treated. Believing himself to be following
    the example
    of Jesus and the Apostles, John Wimber called out
    for those who needed
    to be healed: bad backs, short legs, neck
    pain, and a whole host of
    diseases. People were asked to stand
    and team members dispatched to
    pray for them while on the stage
    John demanded that the Spirit come, and
    after a few minutes of
    silence several screams were heard and people
    sobbing. A little
    later it was declared that people had been healed and
    God had
    given a token as a sign to those who did not believe. In
    short,
    they were asked to base their decision on what they had seen,
    or
    rather the interpretation of what they had seen, and the
    sacrifice for sin through Christ didn't even get a mention. I
    left
    wondering what faith people would have been converted to
    that night? It
    didn't seem to resemble New Testament
    Christianity.

    Now, I realize that
    this may be but the observation of one individual, but it
    seems as though in
    reading the material, this is a somewhat common thread.
    Peter Wagner says
    that he marvels that Argentine evangelist, Omar Cabrerra
    (sp.) has people
    saved and healed before he starts preaching. It's a
    question to me, how can
    you get saved before you hear the message? But [it
    is] not a question that
    seems to bother some of them. Most of the Third
    Wavers believe that miracles
    are more effective than the gospel message
    preached, that preaching is
    limited, and I shared some of that with you a
    few weeks ago. That somehow
    preaching is a very poor way to get people to
    come to Christ, the least of all
    ways desirable. Wagner further writes,

    Christianity began with 120 in
    the Upper Room, within three
    centuries it had become the predominant
    religion of the Roman
    Empire. What brought this about? The answer is
    deceptively
    simple, while Christianity was being presented to
    unbelievers in
    both Word and deed, it was the deed that far exceeded the
    Word
    in evangelistic effectiveness.

    That's a remarkable statement:
    "That the deed is more powerful than the
    Word," seems to me to "fly in the
    face" of Hebrews 4, which says that, "The
    Word is sharper than any two-edged
    sword, and is able to pierce to depths
    that nothing else can pierce." The
    Anglican, Michael Harper says, "Miracles
    help people believe." The question
    is, "Believe what?" Is the gospel being
    clearly, carefully delineated? In
    fact, it has been said that those of us
    who don't do signs and wonders, and
    perform miracles, are doing what they
    call "Programmatic Evangelism," instead
    of "Power Evangelism." It is
    insipid, it is powerless, vapid, kind of
    evangelism. What is needed is
    "Power Evangelism," supernatural encounters.
    Those are the things that bring
    people to Christ.

    Two fallacies, at least,
    lurk in that kind of thinking; both render it
    utterly ineffective in winning
    people to genuine faith in Christ. When
    modern miracles become the basis for
    an evangelistic invitation, the real
    message of the gospel somehow becomes
    incidental. And you would have to be
    in a meeting where you would see the
    "swept away attitude" of people who are
    so deeply lost in an emotional
    experience, and this may not always be the
    case, but often the case, that a
    clear message might not come through. There
    is often a mystical, ethereal
    Jesus who replaces the historical, Biblical
    one. And the focus of faith
    becomes faith in the miraculous, rather than
    faith in the Savior Himself.
    Those who put their trust in modern miracles
    are not saved by that faith no
    matter how earnestly they may believe they
    are. You are only saved by putting
    your faith in Jesus Christ.

    Secondly, Power Evangelism seems to me to be an
    unbiblical concept. "Faith
    comes from hearing," doesn't it? "And hearing the
    Word of Christ." It is
    the gospel, not signs and wonders, that is the power
    of God unto salvation.
    And do you not remember what Luke 16:31 says, "If they
    do not listen to Moses
    and the Prophets, neither will they be persuaded though
    someone rises . . ."
    what? "From the dead." Despite the many signs and
    wonders that Jesus
    performed, Jesus didn't practice that kind of Power
    Evangelism. In fact, He
    repeatedly rebuked those who demanded signs, (Matthew
    12, 16; Mark 8; Luke
    11, 23; John 4). He rebuked the "signs seekers."

    The
    emphasis of Jesus' ministry was not miracles but preaching. He often
    preached
    without doing signs, without doing wonders. And then in Mark 1:29-
    34, we read
    that Jesus did many miraculous healings in Galilee. Verse 37,
    tells us that
    Peter and the others found Him the next morning and excitedly
    said, "Everybody
    is looking for you. They want to see more of this. They
    want to see more
    signs and more wonders." And Jesus said this, (Mark 1:38)
    "Let us go
    somewhere else to the towns nearby, in order that I may preach
    there also; for
    that is what I came out for." He came to preach, therein
    lies the power.
    Preaching the Word was more important than the Signs and
    Wonders, and I
    believe the Third Wave is advocating a different approach and
    is out of
    balance with the Bible in that regard.

    Well, there is more to say. Just
    briefly, let me share two thoughts with
    you. They also promise a Biblical
    orientation, but I am very much afraid of
    the fact, and by their own
    admission, that they have many errors in their
    theology. And as I spoke to
    several of them this week, I asked the question,
    "If God is giving Signs and
    Wonders, is it to authenticate His message?"
    Which the answer has to be yes.
    "Then would you explain to me why the people
    who claim to be doing the Signs
    and Wonders are the ones who have an errant
    theology? Why would God be
    authenticating error?" It would seem to me that
    if God was going to give
    somebody the ability to do Signs and Wonders, thus
    to draw people to His
    message, He would give such a gift and ability to one
    who was most capable of
    articulating accurately the proper message. And by
    their own admission they
    realize that there are many theological
    inaccuracies, Biblical inaccuracies,
    in the movement, and that poses the
    unanswerable query as to, "Why in the
    world would God want to be using
    miracles to authenticate those who, as of
    yet, don't even have their theology
    straighten out?" John Wimber would be the
    first to admit that they are still
    accumulating a theology. He made the
    statement that, "We are drawing
    together our experiences so that we can frame
    up a theology." And it seems
    odd to think that God would be vindicating such
    and authenticating such.

    Furthermore, they are committed to the fact that
    the Bible is not enough,
    that there must be further communication from God.
    One of their leaders says
    that,

    To believe that the Scripture is the
    end of God's revelation is
    a demonic doctrine. In order to fulfill
    God's highest purpose
    for our lives, we must be able to hear His voice
    both in the
    written word and the word freshly spoken from heaven.
    Satan
    understands the strategic importance of Christians hearing
    God's
    Word, so he has launched various attacks against us in this
    area. Ultimately, this doctrine, that is, believing that the
    Scripture is the end of revelation, is demonic, even though
    Christian theologians have been used to perfect it. So
    Christian
    theologians who have perfected the idea that the
    Scripture is the end of
    God's revelation, have perfected a
    demonic doctrine, because God is
    still speaking.

    And there is a great thirst for new revelation, that I
    believe imposes upon
    the movement a low view of Scripture's sufficiency.

    Well, let me just give you a final note. There is much more to say about
    that, you can read it in my book [Charismatic Chaos] when it gets here in a
    few months. There is just one other thing to note, and so much more that I would like to say. They claim also an evangelical heritage, they claim also
    an evangelical heritage. If you listen to them, you would believe that they are in the mainstream of evangelicalism, that they are committed to a traditional, Biblical theology. And yet that is not true. Statements of
    faith and creeds are just not a part of that movement. John Wimber's
    Vineyard
    is typical, I am quoting from one writer,

    Another disturbing aspect of
    the Vineyard's ministry is their
    lack of any written statement of faith.
    Because Vineyard
    members come from a variety of denominational
    backgrounds, the
    leadership has avoided setting strong doctrinal
    standards. This
    de-emphasis of doctrine is also consistent with the
    leadership,
    whose backgrounds, theologically include association with
    the
    Quakers, who typically stress the inner experience of God and
    mimimize the need for doctrinal expressions of one's
    understanding
    of God.

    That's from the Christian Research Institute. There is no way
    that they can
    connect up with historic, traditional, evangelical, orthodox
    theology,
    because they don't codify doctrine. They don't develop creeds and
    theological statements, so how do they know where they stand? And yet in
    spite of that, they want to position their movement in the mainstream of historic evangelicism. They want to emphasize conservative, even
    fundamentlist roots, but that does not bear out under examination. The movement is broadly ecumenical and cencredic. There is an evangelical veneer but the wide embracing of all kinds of experiences. Now, it is possible that this could change. There maybe some winds of change, there may be some doctrinal direction and structure coming, but at the present time this is
    true. To reinforce that, may I say, Wimber is as comfortable with Roman Catholic dogma as he is with evangelicism. He himself defends the Catholic claims of healings through relics. He advocates a reunification of
    Protestants and Catholics. A former associate said,

    During a Vineyard
    Pastors Conference, he went so far as to
    apologize to the Catholic
    Church on behalf of all Protestants.
    In his seminar on Church Planting,
    he said, the Pope, who by the
    way is very responsive to the Charismatic
    movement and is
    himself a "Born Again" evangelical, is preaching the
    gospel as
    clear as anyone in the world today.

    You can see that there is
    some confusion. In their book on Power Evangelism,
    he gives a catalog of
    individuals and movements. When he wants to seek to
    establish Signs and
    Wonders, he reaches back and He identifies himself with a
    whole list of
    people, Helleron (sp.), a fourth century hermit, Augustine,
    Pope Gregory the
    Great, Francis of Assisi, the Waldenses who opposed the Pope
    and were
    persecuted by the Dominicans, Vincent Ferrera (sp.) who was himself
    was a
    Dominican, Martin Luther, Ignatius of Loyola, John Wesley, and the
    Jansenists,
    a Catholic sect. It's a hodgpoge of all kinds of things. In a
    booklet
    published by the Vineyard, he adds the Shakers. They were a cult
    that
    demanded celibacy and thus went out of existence for obvious reasons.
    He puts
    himself in line with Edward Irving, a discredited leader of the
    Irvingnite
    sect in 19th century England. He also identifies himself with the
    supposed
    healings and miracles worked by an apprition of the Virgin Mary at
    Lourdes.
    So you can see that the heritage is not at all evangelical, but
    quite
    confused. Even Wagner wants to link himself with contempory, positive, possibility thinking as well as with the Fourth Demensional thinking of
    Korean
    Pastor Paul Yongee Chow (sp.). It's a hodgpog of many, many things.

    All of
    this to say we need to be alert. We need to be aware. We need to
    test all
    these things by the Word of God. My only hope and prayer for these
    people is
    that someone may come to them, someone who can lead them to a
    proper
    understanding of the truth, pulling them away from this tremendous preoccupation and domination that comes to them from experiences.
    Experiences
    can be so deadly because they cannot always be certain that they
    come from
    God.

    Well, much more to be said. I guess what I can say in conclusion is,
    "Don't
    be swept away by the Third Wave." And remember this, the only true
    test of
    whether a person or a movement is from God is not Signs and Wonders.
    A true
    test is, teaching in conformity to this Book. And the highest
    expression of
    God's power in the world today is not some spectacular, unusual
    Sign or
    Wonder. The highest expression of God's power in the world today is
    the
    transformation of a soul from darkness to light, from death to life.
    And
    equally wonderus is the tranquil godliness of a Spirit controlled
    believer.

    Let me just say this in closing, I don't believe for one moment that
    we have
    ministered here at Grace Church for 22 years without the Holy Spirit.
    And I
    don't believe for one moment that we have never known the Power of God.
    I
    shared with these gentlemen, with whom I spoke on Friday, that we see the
    power of God, again and again. We saw it tonight, didn't we, when we heard
    the testimonies, week in and week out. I see it in the trasformatioon of
    your
    life. I see it in the transformations of your marriage. For the last
    several
    weeks I have been praying for a marriage in our church. It was
    coming apart
    at the seams, really sad, grieving. And I saw, apart from
    anything that I
    did, apart from any intervention by me--God put that marriage
    together in a
    glorious way. We've seen that again and again. I talked to a
    mother and a
    father who had prayed for a wayward son and God brought that son
    back to the
    point where that son embraced Christ and embraced his family in
    Christ.

    I
    don't for one moment search because I have never known the power of God in
    this ministry, and I just affirm that, not for my own sake, not to bring
    credit to me, but that no one would discredit what Christ has done here and what His spirit has accomplished. Nothing that happens in the supernatural dimension happens because of me or you, that's out of our league. But I will not yield to any who would assume that what we have experienced here is a
    cheap version of the real power. Many of you have come to faith in Christ here. Many of you have grown in your knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ and been used of God in many ways in spiritual service, the benefits of your own spiritual growth and maturity, because of the ministries here. Many have
    gone
    out of this place and conducted powerful ministries all over the world,
    and
    they go on even today. And I guess, all of that to say, to be real
    honest
    with you, I am not looking for anything, because I have already in my
    life
    lived through Ephesians 3:20, and I've seen God do, "exceedingly,
    abundantly,
    above all I could ask or think." And to be honest with you, my
    faith is
    strong enough to accept that this is the evidence of the power of
    God and I
    don't have to have more proof. Some people say they have the faith
    for all of
    that, but I think they have doubt looking for proof--very often.
    And I want
    to affirm tonight my gratitude to God and to the Holy Spirit, and
    to the Lord
    Jesus Christ for what They have accomplished in this place, and
    what They have
    accomplished through the teaching of the Word and the faithful
    ministry that
    God has given to this church, here and around the world. And I
    want to give
    God all the glory for all of it, and I want to acknowledge along
    with you that
    He has done it, and we have never ministered for a moment
    feeling that He
    wasn't here in the fullness of His power accomplishing His
    work for His own
    glory. And He has done it in an orderly way without chaos
    and without
    confusion, and we praise Him for that.

    Father, thank you for our time
    tonight to consider these things. Help us
    Lord to be able to evaluate
    everything by the Word. We know that in this
    movement there are some who, of
    course, are our brothers and sisters, who
    love the Lord Jesus Christ, and we
    would pray for them, that your Spirit
    might lead them to bring Biblical
    direction where they are able to this
    movement. To confront its errors and
    excesses. We pray Lord too that no one
    would be led astray and led away from
    the simplicity that is in Christ and
    into chaos and confusion of emotional
    experience, and find it to be a
    substitute for true regeneration. Father, we
    pray too that you would allow
    us with grace and love to speak to folks who
    perhaps are in these kinds of
    groups and to bring them the help that your Word
    and your Spirit would want
    them to have. In Jesus' Name. Amen.

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  • From Ricky Sutphin@RICKSBBS to All on Sunday, January 25, 2026 03:50:00
    The following message was delivered at Grace Community Church in Panorama
    City, California, By John MacArthur Jr. It was transcribed from the tape,
    GC
    90-60, titled "Charismatic Chaos" Part 9. A copy of the tape can be
    obtained
    by writing, Word of Grace, P.O. Box 4000, Panorama City, CA 91412.

    I have made
    every effort to ensure that an accurate transcription of the
    original tape was
    made. Please note that at times sentence structure may
    appear to vary from
    accepted English conventions. This is due primarily to
    the techniques
    involved in preaching and the obvious choices I had to make in
    placing the
    correct punctuation in the article.

    It is my intent and prayer that the Holy
    Spirit will use this transcription
    of the sermon, "Charismatic Chaos" Part 9,
    to strengthen and encourage the
    true Church of Jesus Christ.



    Charismatic Chaos - Part 9

    "Does God Still Heal?"
    by
    John
    MacArthur


    Well, as you know, we are involved in a study of the Charismatic
    movement,
    the contemporary movement, and tonight we come to a section
    entitled, "Does
    God Still Heal?" Now, in the messages that I have been giving
    we have
    intersected with the thoughts about healing, and we have said some
    things
    about that in some of our prior studies and we are not going to repeat
    those
    things. But there is much more that needs to be said tonight as we
    evaluate
    a movement that advocates healing. In fact, if there is anything
    that would
    be typically Charismatic or typically characteristic of the
    modern
    Pentecostal movement, Third Wave movement, or Charismatic movement, it
    would
    be a major emphasis on healing, and we need to understand that.

    Let
    me begin with some illustrations that set the scene for us. A familiar
    name
    to anybody who studies the Charismatic movement and delves into the
    issues of
    healing is the name of a man, Hobart Freeman, a very interesting
    man, at one
    time a professor of Old Testament at Grace Theological Seminary,
    from which
    our own Dick Mayhue graduated. And when he was a professor there
    in Old
    Testament, he was considered to be the finest communicator, the finest
    teacher
    there. In fact, Hobart Freeman wrote a very significant book
    entitled, "An
    Introduction to the Old Testament Prophets" which, in 1969, was
    published and
    printed by the Moody Bible Institute. So he was considered by
    everybody to be
    a mainline evangelical professor, one who not only understood
    but could
    adroitly teach the truth of Scripture.

    Somewhere along the line he changed.
    Hobart Freeman believed that God had
    healed him from Polio. Nonetheless, one
    of Freeman's legs was so much
    shorter than the other that he had to wear
    corrective shoes and walked with
    great difficulty. Freeman became a pastor.
    He began his ministry as a
    Baptist and after he had written and taught for
    some years, in the mid 60's
    he became very fascinated with "faith healing,"
    and it moved him into the
    Charismatic movement, and then it moved him further
    and further towards the
    fringes of that movement. He started his own church
    in Claypool, Indiana; it
    was known as Faith Assembly and it grew to more than
    2,000 members. Meetings
    were held in a building which he called the "Glory
    Barn" and Church services
    were closed to non-members.

    So it was kind of a
    secretive and cultic association. Freeman and the Faith
    Assembly congregation
    utterly disdained all medical treatment. He believed
    that modern medicine was
    an extension of ancient witchcraft and black magic.
    To submit to a doctor's
    remedies, Freeman believed, was to expose oneself to
    demonic influence.
    Expectant mothers in Freeman's congregation were told
    that they must give
    birth at home with the help only of a church sponsored
    midwife rather than go
    to a hospital delivery room or to be treated by a
    doctor. By the way,
    obedience to that teaching, cost a number of mothers and
    infants their lives.
    In fact, over the years, at least 90 church members
    died as a result of
    ailments that would have been easily treatable. No one
    really knows what the
    actual death toll would be if nationwide figures could
    be compiled on all the
    other people who followed Hobart Freeman's teaching.

    After a 15 year old girl
    whose parents belong to Faith Assembly, died of a
    medically treatable malady,
    the parents were convicted of negligent homicide
    and sentenced to ten years in
    prison. Freeman himself was charged with
    aiding and inducing reckless
    homicide in the case. Shortly afterward, on
    December 8, 1984, Freeman himself
    died, interestingly enough of pneumonia and
    heart failure complicated by a
    severely ulcerated leg.

    Hobart Freeman's theology did not allow him to
    acknowledge that Polio had
    left one of his legs disfigured and lame. Quote,
    he said, "I have my
    healing." And that is all he would say when anyone
    pointed out the rather
    conspicuous inconsistency between his physical
    disabilities and his theology.
    Ultimately, his refusal to acknowledge his
    infirmities cost him his life. He
    had dutifully, according to his own
    theology, refused all medical treatment
    for the maladies that were killing
    him, and medical science could easily have
    prolonged his life, but in the end
    he was a victim of his own teaching.

    Now, Hobart Freeman is a very familiar
    name to those involved in Faith
    Healing, but he is not the only one. There is
    another one who succumbed to
    ailments and that is a man by the name of William
    Brannom (sp.), and if you
    study anything about the healing movement you are
    going to come across the
    name of William Brannom (sp.). He would be the
    father of the post World War
    II healing revival. He was a man reputed to have
    been instrumental in some
    of the most spectacular healings that the
    Pentecostals have ever seen. He
    died, however, in 1965 at age 56, after
    suffering for six days from injuries
    received in an automobile accident. His
    theology was unbiblical and
    heretical, and of course when applied to himself
    his theology of healing had
    no effect whatsoever, though his followers right
    to the end, were confident
    God was going to raise him up. And even after he
    died they believed that God
    would raise him from the dead.

    As a boy, I was
    brought to become aware of another Faith Healer who became
    very, very famous,
    a man by the name of A. A. Allen. And A. A. Allen, about
    whom I read and whom
    I followed with curiosity, was a famed "Tent
    Evangelist." He took his healing
    meeting from place to place in a tent.
    Interestingly enough, A. A. Allen
    claimed thousands upon thousands of
    healings, and himself died of sclerosis of
    the liver in 1967, having secretly
    been involved with alcohol for many years
    while supposedly being able to heal
    everybody else.

    Perhaps a more familiar
    name in the healing movement would be the name of one
    who is elevated almost
    to the status of the Roman Catholic elevation of Mary,
    and that's a woman by
    the name of Kathryn Kuhlman. Kathryn Kuhlman died of
    heart failure in 1976,
    curiously enough. She had battled heart disease for
    nearly twenty years, and
    that statement is made by Jamie Buckingham who would
    have been one of her
    disciples.

    Another one that comes to mind, Ruth Carter Stapleton, was the
    Faith Healing
    sister of former United States President Jimmie Carter. [She]
    refused
    medical treatment for cancer because of her belief in faith healing.
    She
    died of the disease in 1983. And even John Wimber, who would be probably
    the
    most prominent modern contemporary Third Wave healer, struggles with
    chronic
    angina and heart problems. He begins his book on Power Healing with
    a
    personal note. This is what it says; quoting John Wimber, he says,

    I had what doctors later suspected were a series of coronary
    attacks. When we returned home a series of medical tests
    confirmed
    my worst fears, I had a damaged heart, possibly
    seriously damaged.
    Tests indicated that my heart was not
    functioning properly, a condition
    complicated and possibly
    caused by high blood pressure. These problems
    combined with my
    being overweight and overworked meant that I could die
    at any
    time.

    Wimber writes that he sought God and he says that God told
    him that in the
    same way Abraham waited for his child, I was to wait for my
    healing. In the
    meantime, he says, "He told me to follow my doctor's orders."
    Wimber writes,
    "I wish I could write that at this time I am completely
    healed, that I no
    longer have physical problems, but if I did it would not be
    true." Now, it
    seems obvious, at least a curiosity to all of us, that so many
    leading
    advocates of faith healing are sick!

    Annette Capps (sp.), the
    daughter of Faith Healer Charles Capps (sp.), and
    herself a Faith Healer,
    raised that question in her book; her book is
    entitled "Reverse the Curse in
    Your Body and Emotions." This is what she
    writes,

    People have
    stumbled over the fact that the so-called "Healing
    Minister" later
    became ill or died. They say, "I don't
    understand this. If the Power
    of God came into operation and
    all those people were healed, why did the
    evangelist get sick?
    Why did he or she die?" The reason is because
    healings that
    take place in meetings like that are a special
    manifestation of
    the Holy Spirit. This is different from using your own
    faith.
    The evangelist who is being used by God in the gifts of
    healings, is still required to use his own faith in the Word of
    God
    to receive divine health and divine healing for his own
    body. Why?
    Because the gifts of healings are not manifested
    for the individual who
    is ministering, they are for the benefit
    of the people.

    Now that
    double-talk basically means that somebody could have faith for
    somebody else's
    healing but not enough faith for their own healing. And so,
    sometimes without
    faith for their own healing they die, while they have
    enough faith for other
    people's healings who live. She goes on to say,

    Over the years I have
    seen various manifestations of the gifts
    of healing in my own ministry,
    but I have always had to use my
    own faith in God's word for my healing.
    There have been times
    that I have been attacked with illness in my body
    but as I
    ministered many were healed even though I did not feel well.
    I
    had to receive my healing through faith and acting on God's
    word.

    Thus, she astonishingly concludes that if a Faith Healer gets sick,
    it is
    because his or her personal faith is somehow deficient when applied to
    his or
    herself. Now, to take that a step further, you must understand that
    these
    people go so far as to say, "That even Jesus Himself sometimes did not
    have
    the faith required for people to be healed."

    Perspectives on Faith
    Healing often seem as varied as the number of Faith
    Healers around. Some say
    that God wants to heal all sickness, others come
    close to conceding that God's
    purposes may sometimes be fulfilled in our
    illness and infirmity. Some equate
    sickness with sin; others stop short of
    that, but still find it hard to
    explain why spiritually strong people get
    sick. Some people just "flat out"
    blame the devil, and they think if they
    can tie the devil up in a knot and
    send him off to Tibet or something [then]
    everybody will get well.

    Some claim
    to have the "Gifts of Healing;" others say they have no unusual
    healing
    ability, they simply are used of God to show people the way of faith.
    A lot
    of people used to say they had the "Gift of Healing" but the chicanery
    they
    were using has for so many years been exposed that nobody today can get
    away
    with that stuff anymore. So now they just claim they don't have the
    "Gift of
    Healing," they just sort of pray and have faith and God does what He
    wants.
    Some will say they heal with a physical touch; some will say you heal
    through
    anointing with oil; others say they can speak forth a healing, that
    they can
    speak it into existence; some people say they can only pray for a
    healing, and
    so forth and so on. And there are healers who just keep
    changing from one
    approach to another as the chicanery and the charlatanism
    of the healing
    movement becomes exposed and they have to change their
    methodology.

    Always
    a Faith Healer, the well known Oral Roberts used to claim that he
    could heal.
    He claimed great powers of healing; he no longer claims that.
    Oral Roberts
    claimed God had called him, in fact, to build a massive
    hospital. And He said
    this massive hospital would blend conventional
    medicine with Faith Healing.
    If you visit the city of Tulsa, as I did this
    summer, you are absolutely
    astonished at this facility. It is mind boggling
    to see a sixty story
    building rising out of a weed patch outside Tulsa,
    Oklahoma, and next to it a
    thirty story building rising as well, now
    completely vacant and most of it
    unfinished on the inside. In the face of
    huge financial losses apparently God
    changed His mind and declared that the
    whole thing should be closed down. It
    is a monument to the unfulfilled
    promises of Faith Healing. Nonetheless, in
    spite of these bizarre claims
    that never come to pass, Faith Healing and the
    Charismatic movement keep
    growing.

    Charles Fox Pharham (sp.) who is the
    father of the contemporary Pentecostal
    movement, came to the conviction
    originally (this is way back at the turn of
    the century when the Charismatic
    movement was then known as Pentecostalism
    and just starting) he claimed that
    God desired all believers to have complete
    healing and he developed that into
    an entire Pentecostal system, and then it
    began to flow through the leaders.
    Amy Simple McPherson (who founded the
    Foursquare Church), Angelus Temple
    (sp.), E. W. Kenyon, William Brannom
    (sp.), Kathryn Kuhlman, Oral Roberts,
    Kenneth Hagan, Kenneth Copeland,
    Fredrick Price, Jerry Seville (sp.), Charles
    Capps (sp.), Norval Hayes,
    Robert Tilton, Benny Hinn, Larry Lee, and on and on
    it goes. They have all
    headlined their public meetings with healing.

    There
    are even Catholic Charismatics such as Father John Bertilucci (sp.),
    and
    Francis McNutt (sp.) who have followed suit seeing that the Charismatic
    healing emphasis is a natural extension of Roman Catholic tradition. And
    then
    in the last phase of this so called "The Third Wave" in which we talked
    about
    leaders like John Wimber and others, Paul Cane (sp.) and the Kansas
    City
    Prophets, et al., have made healing a central element in their
    repertoire.
    The claims and methods of these Faith Healers range frankly from
    the
    eccentric to the grotesque. A few years ago I received--I receive
    everything
    in the mail; if they don't send it to me, somebody who wants me to
    see it
    does. And I have received bottles of healing oil and healing water and
    all
    kinds of things--but I received a miracle prayer cloth, and in it the
    message
    said, and I am quoting,

    Take this special miracle prayer cloth and put
    it under your
    pillow and sleep on it tonight. Or you may want to place
    it on
    your body or on a loved one. Use it as a release point wherever
    you hurt. First thing in the morning send it back to me in the
    "green" envelope. Do not keep this prayer cloth, return it to
    me.
    I will take it, pray over it all night. Miracle power will
    flow like a
    river. God has something better for you, a special
    miracle to meet your
    needs.

    Now, these are the kinds of things that go on all the time. And of
    course in
    the "green" envelope you not only send the cloth but you send some
    "green"
    money as well. Green being a good reminder of what color they would
    like to
    see. Interestingly enough, the sender of the prayer cloth feels he
    has
    biblical support for doing this. While Paul was in Ephesus, you remember
    God
    performed extraordinary miracles through him, and according to Acts 19,
    it
    says, "Handkerchiefs or aprons were carried from his body to the sick and
    the
    diseases left them and the evil spirits went out of them." And as we
    have
    been seeing in the series, however, Paul and the other apostles had
    been
    given unique power, and we talked about Apostolic Power as unique
    power;
    certainly nothing in the New Testament suggests that anybody could send
    out
    handkerchiefs and they are going to produce miracles.

    Kenneth Hagan (sp.)
    tells of one Faith Healer he heard of who used a method
    that I have never
    personally witnessed. Kenneth Hagen (sp.) writes,

    He'd always spit on
    them, every single one of them. He'd spit
    in his hand and rub it on
    them. That's the way he ministered.
    If there was something wrong with
    your head, he'd spit in his
    hand and rub it on your forehead. If you
    had stomach trouble,
    he'd spit in his hand and rub it on your clothes
    and on your
    stomach. If you had something wrong with your knee, he'd
    spit
    in his hand and rub it on your knee. And all the people would
    get healed.

    Other gimmicks, not quite that uncouth, but every bit as
    outlandish, also can
    be visualized everyday as you watch your television set.
    Some ask for "Seed
    Faith" money. Oral Roberts often says that if you donate
    money to him, that
    is in effect a down payment on your own personal healing.
    Robert Tilton
    regularly devises simple ploys; [he] pledges special healings
    and financial
    miracles to people who send him money; the larger the gift, the
    better the
    miracle. "It's in direct proportion to how much money you send,"
    he says.
    Pat Robertson will peer into the camera and as if he can see into
    people's
    living rooms describe people who are being healed that very moment.
    Benny
    Hinn recently healed fellow Faith Healer and Talk Show Host Paul
    Crouch
    (sp.). He healed him on the live broadcast of the Trinity Network.
    After
    Hinn had released his anointing to a roomful of people, Crouch step
    forward
    to testify that he had been miraculously cured of a persistent ringing
    in the
    ears he had been suffering from for years. And on and on it goes, this
    list
    of fantastic claims, incredible stories of healings grow at a frantic
    pace,
    but real evidence of genuine miracles is conspicuously absent.

    And
    everywhere you go people are asking questions about this. From all sides
    comes confusion, questions, contradictions. Now as we study the Scripture,
    we
    find there are three categories of spiritual gifts, if we want to call
    them
    that. First would be the category we could say are gifted men like
    apostles,
    prophets, evangelists, and teaching pastors. These are the men
    themselves
    given as gifts from Christ to the Church. And then we could say
    there are the
    permanent edifying gifts and the temporary sign gifts (the
    other two
    categories). Permanent edifying gifts would be gifts related to
    knowledge,
    and wisdom, and preaching, and teaching, and exhortation, and
    faith, and
    discernment, and showing mercy, and giving, and administration,
    and helps, and
    those things that have an ongoing ministry in the Church.

    And then there are
    those temporary sign gifts, in other words, divine
    enablements given by the
    Holy Spirit for a temporary period of time as a sign
    for a very special
    purpose. These are listed for us in Scripture; they are
    miracles, healings,
    tongues (or languages), and the interpretation or
    translation of those
    languages.

    Now, we have noted in our study that such sign gifts had a unique
    purpose:
    very simple--they were to identify the authentic spokesman for God.
    First of
    all, Jesus did miracles. Jesus cast out demons. He did miracles
    that fall
    into three categories: Miracles of Physical Healing; Miracles of
    Demonic
    Deliverance; and Miracles of Natural Phenomena, like walking on water,
    or
    stilling the sea, feeding the people by multiplying bread and fish. And
    those miracles were to demonstrate to people that Jesus was not a mere man,
    but that He was the Messiah of God. It should be very clear to everyone who saw Him that this was not a man, because no man could do what He did.

    And so
    Christ had unique capability to do supernatural things in order to
    draw
    attention to the fact that He was unique. In fact, you need to remember
    that
    up until the time of Jesus Christ, there was nobody who could just go
    around
    healing people. There were some healings in the Old Testament, and
    there were
    some miracles of nature, and there were some powerful exhibitions
    of God's
    supernatural work: in creation, and the flood, and many other
    supernatural
    powerful things; but as far as a miracle, which is a subcategory
    of the
    supernatural. . .sometimes people say, "Well, you people always say
    there are
    only three eras of miracles," (and that would be: the Time of
    Moses; and then
    Elijah and Elisha; and then Christ and the Apostles, and
    those are the only
    three periods of miracles). And then they will say,
    "Well, that's not true,
    because creation was miracle, and the flood was a
    miracle," and they will go
    right on through, "Jacob wrestled with an angel
    and that was a miracle, and
    God was always doing supernatural things." But
    they fail to make the clear
    distinction that "miracle" is a technical term:
    it is a subcategory for the
    supernatural.

    God is always acting in a supernatural way, even today. Every
    time someone
    is saved that is a supernatural work. But "miracle" is a
    technical term to
    describe an act of God which He does through a human agency,
    and they are
    very rare. And even when you go back into the Old Testament and
    you find
    miracles where God acts through a human instrumentation to
    authenticate his
    messenger and the message, they are rare and nothing like the
    healing
    ministry of Jesus. No one ever just roamed everywhere, healing
    everybody.

    So what you have in the case of Jesus [is something] you have never
    seen
    before. Nothing like this has ever happened before in the history of
    the
    world. And so this is a very unique thing. And to assume that it never happened before (to know that by Old Testament revelation) and it happened at the time of Christ, uniquely, and then it faded out in the end of the New Testament era, and now for some strange reason it has all come back at the
    same level as once it did and we are supposed to have this massive kind of healing going on as it did in the day of Christ, is to demonstrate an imbalanced and an unsound perspective of the purpose of the miracle ministry
    of Jesus. It was to authenticate His Messiahship, and it is therefore irreproducible and unrepeatable.

    And so Jesus did unique things which were
    unique to His own ministry. Now,
    it is true that Jesus passed on to the
    Apostles power in two of the three
    categories. Remember now, He healed
    diseases, He had power over demons, and
    He did miracles of nature (natural
    phenomenon). The first two he gave the
    Apostles. They never did any miracles
    of nature. But "Peter," you say,
    "Walked on water!" Yes, but that was a
    miracle Christ was performing and
    that occurred only in His presence. They
    never did anything like "Feed the
    5,000" or "Walk on water" after that, or
    "Still a storm" or anything like
    that. The only two things they were given
    power to do were "cast out demons
    and heal the sick (including raising the
    dead)."

    But in their case, again, these were to point to them as the
    messengers of
    God. There was no printed New Testament and it was very
    essential that among
    all of the people who were saying that they spoke for God
    somebody be able to
    tell who was real, and you could tell because they had
    power over demons and
    power over disease. And so they were given that ability
    to do those things.
    And the Apostles could do them, and those closely
    associated with the
    Apostles could do them.

    Go back into Matthew 10:1,
    "Having summoned His twelve disciples, He gave
    them authority over unclean
    spirits, to cast them out," (and that by the way
    is the Gift of Miracles:
    miracle is "dunamis (Greek)" power, power over the
    forces of demons) "and He
    gave them the power to heal every kind of disease
    and every kind of sickness."
    And that was granted to the Twelve. Later on
    you find out that that group
    was expanded and it included the Seventy.
    Remember when He sent the Seventy,
    two-by-two and gave them the same power?
    So it was a very small group.
    "These were the signs," says Paul, of a true
    Apostle. "Signs and wonders and
    miracles," 2 Corinthians 12:12. They were
    limited in scope--only casting out
    demons and healing diseases, and they were
    limited in terms of who received
    them--only the Apostles and the Seventy
    commissioned directly by Jesus, those
    who worked alongside the Apostles. It
    never went beyond that.

    It never
    became common for anybody and everybody in the Church to do this.
    There is no
    indication that the evangelists, that the prophets (with a few
    exceptions:
    Barnabas, Philip, Stephen, and those very early men), never an
    indication that
    teaching pastors could do this, and certainly no indication
    that members of
    the Church, the Body of Christ, could do this. These were
    unique apostolic
    gifts. When you study the epistles of Paul--and Paul is
    very clear about the
    fact that if you have problems with Satan and demons you
    don't find somebody
    who can chase them away: you put on your armor. Right?
    "We have spiritual
    weapons to battle against those forces," he said.

    Now if false teachers want
    credibility it is very obvious that they can sure
    draw a crowd and gain
    creditability if they can heal. And so that is always
    a kind of ploy that is
    used by false teachers--it has been so in history,
    whether you are talking
    about tribal witch doctors in Shamanism, in Animism,
    and in Paganism, or
    whether you are talking about Occultic kinds of healings,
    or New Age kind of
    mind healings, or whether you are talking about the
    charlatans and the frauds
    who parade themselves even as Christian healers.
    It is a great way to draw a
    crowd. Why? Because the number one human
    anxiety is illness and death.

    Since the fall of man in the Garden of Eden disease has been a terrible reality, and for millennia the search for cures to alleviate illness and suffering has consumed mankind. And I will tell you that if I could choose
    one gift, if God would give me one gift that I don't have and I could ask Him for it and get it, I would ask Him for the gift of healing. I mean, if it
    was
    available to me. Can you imagine what you could accomplish with it?
    There
    are many occasions when I have wished that I could heal. I have stood
    in a
    room in a hospital watching a precious child die of Leukemia while the
    parents
    wept. I prayed with a dear friend as inoperable cancer ate at his
    insides. I
    have stood by helplessly as a young person fought for life in an
    intensive
    care unit, the result of a motorcycle or an automobile accident. I
    have seen
    teenagers crushed through those kinds of things. I have watched
    their parents
    in agony.

    I have seen people in the hospital on the edge of death with a
    gunshot wound.
    I have watched people lie comatose while machines try to keep
    their vital
    signs alive, at least on a screen, if not in reality. I watched a
    close
    friend weaken and die after an unsuccessful heart transplant. I have
    seen
    friends in terrible pain from surgery. I know people who are
    permanently
    disabled with sickness and injury. I see babies born with heart
    breaking
    deformities. I have helped people learn to cope with amputations and
    other
    tragic losses. I have been there when a mother was holding to her arms,
    in
    the bedroom, a dead baby who had died of "crib death."

    If I could wish for
    anything, I could certainly wish that I could do
    that--heal all those people.
    Think how thrilling it would be. Think how
    rewarding it would be to have
    that gift. Think of what it would be like to
    go into a hospital among the
    sick and the dying, walk up and down the hall
    and touch people and heal them
    like Jesus did. Wouldn't it be wonderful to
    go into the Cancer Ward and the
    Heart Disease Ward and the Aids Ward, and all
    the other places and just heal
    everybody. And somewhere along the line you
    want to ask these Charismatic
    healers why they don't assemble all of
    themselves and go down to that place
    and let's see if they have the power to
    heal! Opportunities to heal the sick
    are unlimited. And if, as Charismatics
    claim, such miracles are "Signs and
    Wonders," (listen carefully, they say
    this) if they are "Signs and Wonders"
    designed to convince unbelievers that
    the gospel is true, then wouldn't that
    be the way to really convince them?

    But strangely, the healers rarely, if
    ever, come out of their tents, rarely
    ever come out of their buildings, rarely
    ever come out of their television
    studios. I have never seen them in a
    hospital. I have never seen them
    walking down a ward with a camera following
    them. They always seem to
    exercise their gift in an environment in which they
    totally control, staged
    their way, run according to their schedule. Why don't
    we see them moving
    out?

    Paul Kane (sp.) with whom I met recently,
    personally, who is sort of the main
    prophet in this new movement, has
    prophetically seen this, and I quote one
    writing about him,

    Kane
    describes his vision of an army of children that will
    parade down the
    streets healing whole hospital wards. He
    foresees news broadcasts where
    the "Anchors" report no bad news
    because everyone is in sports arenas
    hearing the gospel. Over a
    billion will be saved, the dead will be
    raised, limbs will be
    restored, those with handicaps will jump from
    their wheelchairs
    and crutches will be cast aside, and those in the
    stadiums will
    go for days without food or water and never notice.

    Now
    I don't know what kind of a world that is or how they are going to make
    it
    happen but I think it is time to start if they have that ability. Is this happening? No, because those who claim to have the gift of healing and the power of healing, and claim to be able to tap into that power really don't
    have it. The gift of healing was a temporary sign gift for the
    authenticating
    of those who wrote the Scripture and those who preached the
    message in that
    first century. And once the Scripture was completed and that
    authenticity was
    established, the gift of healing ceased. It is not anything
    new to claim it.
    The original claimants were the Roman Catholics.

    If you read some of Roman
    Catholic history you will be amazed probably. They
    boasted of healing people
    with the bones of John the Baptist, healing people
    with the bones of Peter,
    healing people with pieces of the cross (and
    somebody said, "There are enough
    pieces of the cross around to build a two-
    story building!"). They have said
    that they, "Have healed people with the
    vials of Mary's breast milk." There
    is a place that you know about in France
    called Lourdes, a Catholic shrine
    that has supposedly been the sight of
    countless miraculous healings. I have
    been to the largest Catholic cathedral
    in the Western Hemisphere in Montreal,
    San Joseph, where people climb 450
    stairs on their knees and they go in and
    they kiss a little box that has the
    heart of a little friar in it, and all
    along the walls and everywhere are
    crutches, all over the place. Supposedly
    countless tens of thousands have
    been healed there. And now in Metajorie
    (sp.) in Yugoslavia (you have been
    reading about it) more than 50,000,000
    people have gone in less than a
    decade. Why? They are in search of a miracle
    from the virgin Mary who
    appeared in 1981 to six little children. If you read
    carefully about that it
    is bizarre.

    It is very much like the occultic kind
    of healings you hear about in pagan
    parts of the world. You have the oriental
    psychic healers who say they can
    do bloodless surgery. They way their hands
    over afflicted organs and say
    incantations and claim people are cured. Witch
    Doctors, Shamans, claim to
    raise the dead. Occultist use Black Magic and
    Lying Wonders to do their
    thing. Mary Baker Eddy, [who] you remember founded
    Christian Science,
    claimed to have healed people through telepathy. And she
    had buried with her
    in her casket a telephone because she was going to come to
    life and call
    somebody and tell them to come and get her. You see Satan has
    always
    captivated people's hearts through the promise of healing. Even today
    the
    people who promised that "Health, Wealth, Prosperity Gospel" are hooking
    people on this tremendous human desire for physical healing and the fear of disease and death.

    This goes on and on and on. One pastor on a popular
    Charismatic television
    show explained that his gift of healing works this way,
    quote,

    In the morning services the Lord tells me what healings are
    available. The Lord will say, "I have got three cancers
    available,
    I have got one bad back, I have got two headache
    healings." I announce
    that to the congregation and tell them
    that anyone who comes at night,
    with faith, can claim those that
    are available for that evening.

    Now
    if you take a closer look at these healings you will find some very
    interesting things. The only documented cases that you can find, the only actually documented cases you can find, are cases of people who didn't get healed. The cases of supposed people who do get healed, you can't find any documentation. One of the most telling studies of this was done by a medical doctor by the name of William Nolan who decided that he would look into the healing ministry of really the prototype of all of it, Kathryn Kuhlman (sp.) when she was still going strong before her death. And he wrote a book after studying her, called "Healing, a doctor in search of a miracle." And he went beyond Kathryn Kuhlman, but the major section of interest to me was the
    section on Kathryn Kuhlman. And he made the point in his book that Miss Kuhlman did not understand psychogenic disease. She did not understand, that is, disease related to the mind. In simple terms a functional disease might
    be a sore arm. An organic disease would be a withered arm or no arm at all. Now Katherine would heal a sore arm but not give somebody one who didn't have one. A psychogenic disease would be thinking your arm was sore and Kathryn could make you think that your arm wasn't sore. Nolan wrote,

    Search
    the literature as I have and you will find no documented
    cures, by
    healers, of gall stones, heart disease, cancer, or any
    other serious
    organic disease. Certainly you will find patients
    temporarily relieved
    of their upset stomach, their chest pain,
    their breathing problems. You
    will find healers and believers
    who will interpret this interruption of
    symptoms as evidence
    that the disease is cured. But when you track the
    patient down
    and find out what happened later you will always find the
    cure
    to have been purely symptomatic and transient. The underlying
    disease remains.

    I remember one of A. A. Allen's cures; a man threw away
    his crutches and a
    horrible result came from it, and he was sued by a family
    for the severe
    injury that occurred to that man, when under the emotion of the
    moment, he
    was sort of able to prop himself momentarily and brought great harm
    to
    himself. When faith healers try to treat serious organic diseases they
    are
    very often responsible for very serious anguish and unhappiness, and
    sometimes even life threatening things. Dr. Nolan had Miss Kuhlman herself send him a list of the cancer victims she had seen cured, and this is what
    the
    doctor discovered,

    I wrote to all the cancer victims on her list and
    the only one
    who offered cooperation was a man who claimed that he had
    been
    cured of cancer by Miss Kuhlman. He sent me a complete report
    of his case. He had prostatitis cancer which is frequently
    responsive to hormone therapy, if it spreads it is also highly
    responsive to radiation therapy. This man had had that and he
    had
    also had extensive treatment with surgery, radiation, and
    hormones. He
    had also dealt with Kathryn Kuhlman. He chose to
    attribute his cure or
    remission, as the case may be, to Miss
    Kuhlman. But anyone who read his
    report, layman or doctor,
    would see immediately that it is impossible to
    tell which kind
    of treatment had actually done most to prolong his life.
    If
    Miss Kuhlman had to rely on this case to prove the Holy Spirit
    cured cancer through her, she would be in very desperate
    straits.

    Dr. Nolan did further work on 82 cases of Kathryn Kuhlman's healings using names that she herself supplied. His conclusion at the end of the entire investigation was that not one of the so called healings was legitimate--not one!

    More recently, a very interesting man by the name of James Randy--Have
    you
    heard that? He's called the "Amazing Randy" (he gave himself that name).
    He
    is a professional magician. As a professional magician he has written a
    book
    in which he examines the claims of "faith healers." Why? Because he
    knows
    all the gimmicks. He is the man who exposed television evangelist
    Peter
    Poppoff's (sp.) fakery in 1986, on the "Tonight Show." You remember
    that
    Peter Poppoff (sp.) was one of the healers that claimed to get "words
    of
    knowledge." He would stand there and he would say, "Jesus is telling me
    this
    about you." And the truth was he had a little earphone and his wife
    was
    giving him all this information because everybody who came to the meeting
    had
    to fill out a card. And I don't know if you know about how that works
    but
    healers throughout the years have always had the "preservice" meeting,
    when
    everybody who wants to be cured and get in the "healing line" fills out
    a
    very full card. And there is a very simple way, by staggering the cards,
    that the guy can be holding up a card to his head and telling you all you
    need
    to know about yourself, to convince you that this man speaks for God.
    In the
    case of Peter Poppoff (sp.) he was repeating information his wife was
    putting
    in his ear, from the "crib sheets" assembled in the "pre-meeting."

    Now the
    "Amazing Randy" is really not so amazing, he's just a magician. But
    he is
    openly antagonistic to Christianity. His antagonism is fed, I think, continually by what he finds out. But, nevertheless, he seems to have done
    his investigation thoroughly. He asks scores of "faith healers" to supply
    him
    with direct, examinable evidence of true healings. Quote, he said,

    I
    have been willing to accept just one case of a miracle cure,
    so that I
    might say in this book that at least on one occasion a
    miracle occurred.
    But not one "faith healer" anywhere has given
    him a single case of
    medically confirmed healing that couldn't
    be explained as natural
    convalescence, psychosomatic improvement
    or outright fakery.

    What is
    Randy's conclusion? I quote,

    Reduced to its basics, "faith healing"
    today (as it always has
    been) is simply magic! Though the preachers
    vehemently deny any
    connection with the practice, their activities meet
    all the
    requirements for the definition; all of the elements are
    present
    and the intent is identical.

    Well, I don't want to just be
    ungracious, that's not my intention; but it is
    very important that you know
    the truth and that you be warned. And if the
    Apostle John would even speak
    the name of Diotrephes just because he loved to
    have the preeminence in the
    Church, and that posed a threat, then how
    important it is for us to identify
    these people who pose an even more severe
    threat, as they say they represent
    the very voice of God and can prove it by
    the fact they can do miracles.

    I
    had a meeting with a man who is a very bright, a very intelligent, a very academically trained, a very intellectual man who understands the Bible, and
    he said to me,

    The reason that I am in this movement is because one of
    these
    prophets stood up in a meeting and looked at me and told me the
    name of my mother--my mother's maiden name! And not only that
    he
    was able to tell me my father's real name, and my father goes
    by a
    nickname and I knew that he could only know that by direct
    revelation.

    Now, how utterly gullible can a man be? If I could find a
    full-fledged,
    bonifide theologian, first-ranked, teaching in one of the most
    respected
    seminaries in the world, and if I could convince him of my being a
    prophet of
    God by just finding out the name of his mother and his father's
    real name,
    that wouldn't be too tough if that's all it took, especially if I
    had been
    plying that kind of trade for years. It's amazing how gullible
    people are.
    We hear about these healings, but there is never any evidence.
    Not one of
    today's self-styled healers has produced irrefutable proof of the
    miracles
    they claimed to have wrought. Many of them are transparently
    fraudulent, and
    the healings in many cases aren't healings at all. Many
    things can occur by
    the power of suggestion, like people falling over
    backwards and so forth.
    But that can do the opposite of healing you as we
    noted a few weeks ago when
    we reminded you that one lady fell over in a Benny
    Hinn meeting and killed
    the lady she fell on. And now he is being sued.

    Now
    we all know that desperation accompanies disease. Sickness drives
    people to
    do frantic, extreme things they normally wouldn't do. People who
    are clear-
    minded and balanced become irrational. Remember, Satan knows this.
    That's
    why he said in Job 2:4, "Skin for skin, yes, all that a man has will
    he give
    for his life." The most desperate, heart-breaking cases involve
    people who
    are incurably organically ill. Others aren't really sick at all.
    You know,
    if I may be very personal, one of the real joys of our church is
    the dear
    precious people that come here every Sunday in wheelchairs. I can't
    tell you
    how many of those people have told me that people have said to them,
    "If you
    had enough faith, or if you went to another church, other than Grace
    Church,
    you could get out of that wheelchair."

    Somebody asked me recently if we get
    a lot of people here coming out of
    healing churches? I say, "Yes, we get the
    people who go and don't get
    healed--no question about it." What a tragic
    thing; multitudes go away
    shattered, disconsolate, feeling they have either
    failed God or God has
    failed them. Now, let me say this, people are going to
    say, "Well, are you
    saying God doesn't heal?" No, I'm not saying that, if God
    wants to heal, He
    can heal. That's completely, obviously within His power,
    and if it is in his
    purpose [then] He can heal. He may heal as a result of
    prayer. He may heal
    through simple processes, through medical assistance, or
    he may heal in a way
    that we can't explain medically. God may speedup the
    recovery mechanism and
    restore a person to health in a way that medicine can't
    even explain.
    Sometimes He may overrule a medical prognosis and allow someone
    to recover
    from a normally debilitating disease. Healings like that may come,
    He may do
    them; He may do them in response to prayer, He may do them just
    because He
    wants to do them. But the gift of healing, and the ability to
    heal, and
    special anointings for healing, and healings that can be claimed
    and
    therefore realized, and all the typical "faith healing" technique billed
    on
    the idea that God wants everybody well all the time, has no Biblical
    sanction
    whatsoever in the Post-Apostolic era.

    Now, backing off a minute, if
    we just said, "Let's look at Jesus, and if
    anybody is healing today, and if
    Jesus' healings are the pattern, and if the
    apostles is the pattern, how did
    they heal?" And I will simply remind you of
    it. We will make a comparison
    and see if today it works like that.

    1. Jesus healed with a word or a
    touch.

    That's all it took. He touched, He spoke, they were healed.

    2. Jesus healed instantaneously.

    Never in all His healings does the Bible
    say He healed somebody and they
    started getting better. No, there was
    never a process, because if there
    was a process the point wasn't made.
    Right? Because if there was a
    process then it could be explained in
    another way. It was instantaneous.
    "The Centurion's servant was healed"
    (I love it), Matthew 8:13, "that
    very hour." The woman with the bleeding
    problem--it went away
    immediately. Jesus healed ten lepers
    instantaneously. The crippled man
    at the Pool of Bethesda, immediately
    became well.

    3. Jesus healed totally.

    When someone was healed they
    were totally and completely healed--the only
    kind of healing Jesus ever
    did. He didn't partially heal. He healed
    totally.

    4. He healed
    anybody.

    You didn't have to have a long line of people filling out cards.
    And He
    certainly didn't have a whole group of people who came into the
    meeting
    in wheelchairs and left in wheelchairs (if they had wheelchairs,
    or
    crutches, or whatever). Luke 4:40 says, "While the Sun was setting,
    all
    who had any sick with various diseases brought them to Him; and
    laying
    His hands on everyone of them, He was healing them." It's an
    incredible
    thing. He healed everybody. He healed everybody
    instantaneously. He
    healed everybody totally and He healed everybody with
    a word. There
    wasn't some falderal there was just a word!

    5. He
    healed organic disease.

    He didn't just go around Palestine healing lower
    back pain, heart
    palpitations, headaches, and other things like that. He
    healed the most
    obvious organic disease; crippled bent legs, withered
    hands, blind eyes,
    paralysis.

    6. He raised the dead.

    He raised the
    dead. He came up on a funeral and he raised the dead! You
    remember that?
    Here comes the funeral procession; the widow is going to
    bury her son and
    Jesus stops the procession, touches the casket and says,
    "Young man,
    arise!" and the dead man sat up and began to speak. Now, I
    will tell you
    something, people who tout the gift of healing today don't
    spend a lot of
    time in funeral processions; the reason is obvious. And
    you need to note,
    by the way, that Jesus did virtually all His healings
    and raising the dead
    in public before vast crowds of people. Why?
    Because the gift of healing
    was real and it was an authenticating gift.
    He used it to confirm the
    claim that He was the Son of God in a way that
    displayed His power and
    compassion.

    Then we ask the question, "How did the disciples or apostles
    heal? How did
    they heal? How did the Twelve, and the Seventy, and others who
    worked with
    them, like Barnabas, and Philip, and Stephen?" And those are the
    only ones;
    it didn't just run rampant through everybody in the Church. But
    those people
    who had that gift; how did they heal? How did they do it? Well,
    the same
    way; they healed with a word or a touch. We see that in the Book of
    Acts:
    they healed instantaneously, immediately. Remember the temple gate
    with
    Peter and John? The man immediately went to his feet, started leaping, walking, and praising God. They healed totally, not partial, total. They healed everybody. In fact, people who got under Peter's shadow got healed! They healed organic disease, not just functional, psychosomatic, symptomatic problems, and the apostles even raised the dead. Now, nobody is exhibiting those six traits in a healing ministry today. So if this is supposed to be
    the recapturing of the Apostolic era it is really "out of sync" with that.

    And a final note; according to Scripture, those who possess those abilities
    to
    heal could use their gift at will. That's not true of the contemporary
    healers because they don't have that gift. They play games with people's minds--the power of suggestion. They prey upon people, making them believe things that aren't really true and they use deception. Look at the Apostle Paul, in Philippians 2, he mentions that his good friend Epaphroditus was
    very
    sick. Now, Paul had previously displayed the ability to heal, but he
    doesn't
    heal Epaphroditus. It's fair to say that, maybe, that gift was
    passing out of
    operation, but it is sure fair to say that the gift of healing
    was never
    (listen carefully) intended to keep Christians happy and healthy!
    In fact,
    you look through the New Testament and find out how many healings
    occurred to
    believers--absolutely rare--Peter's wife mother, Dorcas. [But
    there were]
    masses of unbelievers; masses of people who may or may not have
    believed
    anything about Christ or the Apostles. But it surely wasn't given
    to keep
    everybody in the Church healthy; and yet today it is being portrayed
    as
    something that is supposed to be done for believers to keep them healthy,
    to
    show them that in the atonement is their healing: totally foreign to
    Scripture.

    Second Timothy 4:20, Paul mentioned he that he left Trophimus sick
    at
    Miletus; now, why leave a good friend sick? Why did he leave his
    Christian
    friend sick? Why didn't he heal him? Well, maybe he didn't have
    that
    ability as the time passed on out of the Apostolic era, but for sure he recognized that healing was not something you run around doing for your Christian friends. It was never intended as a permanent way to keep the
    Church healthy; yet today Charismatics teach that God wants every Christian well all the time. If that is true, then why did He let them get sick to
    start with? It seems a basic question. God didn't give you an HMO in your salvation, a sort of supernatural HMO that works automatically. God heals
    when He wants and when He wishes, but that's up to Him.

    Has God promised to
    heal everybody who has faith? He doesn't promise that He
    will always heal,
    but I think the Christian can look to heaven for healing.
    Now, I want to turn
    the table a little bit as I close in the next couple of
    minutes. I think that
    we can go to the Lord for healing. I think that we
    can pray to Him for
    deliverance from disease, and I do believe that there are
    times when God
    touches us. Sometimes He heals through medicine, sometimes He
    heals through
    surgery, sometimes He heals through natural process working in
    the body. The
    body is an amazing self-healing thing. And sometimes He may
    just heal
    supernaturally because it is His will, and we can look to heaven
    for that. We
    can cry out to God in our sickness and ask for His healing. I
    would suggest
    that there are three reasons why we could expect that God might
    heal:

    1. He
    might heal because of His person.

    You remember his Old Testament name,
    that wonderful name: it's really
    Yahweh Rapecca (sp.)--The Lord that
    Heals. God heals because of His
    person. "I the Lord am your healer," He
    told the Israelites. And the
    very fact that when Jesus came into the
    world He could have done a lot of
    different miracles. I mean if He wanted
    to convince people about His
    Messiahship He could have just flown around,
    and He could have said,
    "See, I can do this, and who else can do this?"
    Or He could have jumped
    a building at a single bound, or flown faster
    than a speeding bullet, or
    He could have put on a "Superman Show" and
    everybody would have been in
    awe of that. But why did he choose to heal
    people? Because He was
    demonstrating His compassion, and a compassionate
    God has a heart to
    heal. And I think that we have experienced that at
    times in our life;
    God raises up someone from sickness.

    2. God heals
    because of His promise.

    He says, "Whatever we ask in His name, believing
    and according to His
    will, He will do it." And there must be times when
    He will do that.
    There is certainly a description in James 5 of a broken,
    shattered,
    devastated person, who goes in for prayer. The elders gather
    around that
    individual and while the pain of that situation is spiritual
    it has
    tremendous physical ramifications, and through prayer that person
    is
    restored. "The effectual fervent prayer avails much." If in God's
    will
    He has designed that [then] He will do that because of His
    promise.

    3. God heals because that is His pattern.

    It is true that in
    the atonement God bore our diseases, Matthew 8 says
    it. Matthew 8 says,
    "He Himself took our infirmities, and carried away
    our diseases." Now, we
    have already discussed 1 Peter 2:24 and I won't
    do it again; it doesn't
    mean that healing for every sickness is in the
    atonement for now! But
    healing for every sickness is in the atonement
    for someday--isn't it? And
    someday He will remove all of those diseases.
    Ultimately, eternally we
    will be delivered from sickness and infirmity.
    And it may just be that He
    would chose because of that pattern of
    providing a salvation that
    ultimately delivers us from bodily infirmity
    when we get a glorified body,
    that maybe He will give us a taste of
    "Glory Divine."

    God may heal.
    That poses the final question, "Should a Christian go to the
    doctor?" And we
    come all the way back to Hobart Freeman again. We would
    never advocate such
    idiocy. You say, "Well, does the Bible say anything
    about this?" Sure, read
    Isaiah 38. Not now. I knew that you would do that;
    your heads just go right
    down--that's good. Pavlov's dogs! Just instant
    response. That's not
    derogatory, by the way, that's trained response. In
    Isaiah 38, King Hezekiah
    was deathly ill, and you remember the king was
    crying, and he was crying
    tears, and then he was crying to the Lord, and God
    answered his request. And
    he says this, "Let them take a cake of figs and
    apply it to the boil, that he
    may recover." Isn't that good? That's what we
    used to call a poultice.
    Right? Now, God is saying, "Do the medical thing."
    In Matthew 9:12, Jesus
    confirmed the same idea when He said this, "It is not
    those who are healthy
    who need a physician, but those who are sick." And so
    the Lord has given us
    that instruction also.

    Now, in closing, I simply say, I want to reiterate that
    I believe that God
    can heal. God can do anything He wants to do. I do not
    believe the gift of
    healing is for today because it was to authenticate the
    Biblical message and
    messenger. That is in place; it needs no more
    authentication then the
    authentication given to it by the Spirit of God to the
    heart of the reader.
    But I do believe that God may in His grace chose to
    heal, and we have every
    right to pray for that, and at the same time seek the
    finest medical help
    that we can because to Lord desires us to do that as
    well.

    Let's pray. Father, thank you for letting us cover all of this
    tonight. Our
    minds are full of these considerations. Lord, we would not at
    all be
    ungracious to the many people who are victims of these kinds of things.
    And
    even Lord, there may be some in these movements who are well meaning and
    well
    intentioned, who for some reason or other believe that these things
    really
    are happening.

    Lord, we would pray for those who have a true and a
    pure intention, and who
    are genuinely believing that this is true, that You
    would show them the truth
    of Your word and help them to see the light. And
    then Lord, for those who
    are just playing with the hearts and minds and the
    wallets of people, that
    you would cause them to be struck with the truth of
    what they are doing. To
    be literally stopped in their tracks by the fear of
    God, as they would
    misrepresent You.

    Lord, we pray for Your Church to be
    discerning, clear minded. And then Lord,
    even as we close tonight, we would
    remember to pray for those in our
    congregation who have physical illness,
    disability, physical pain and
    suffering, some with even the diagnosis of a
    fatal disease, that Lord, You
    would be gracious to them. We know that You are
    going to heal them someday,
    and if it would suit Your glorious purpose and
    bring honor to the name of
    Jesus Christ, we would ask that you heal them now;
    that You might receive
    glory for that. But if not, that You might give them
    the grace to
    acknowledge Your perfect will. And help us to know Lord that it
    is not
    through these kinds of miraculous things that people are going to
    believe the
    truth. It is through hearing about Jesus Christ and reading the
    Scripture
    and having it presented to them, not only on the page but through
    the work of
    the Holy Spirit in their hearts, that they shall come to the
    truth. And so
    may we faithfully proclaim this word, which can authenticate
    itself by the
    Holy Spirit to the heart of one who hears.

    Thank You again
    Father for the clear word that You do care and that there is
    a day of healing
    coming for us all. We rejoice in anticipation of it, in
    Christ's name.
    Amen.


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  • From Ricky Sutphin@RICKSBBS to All on Sunday, January 25, 2026 03:50:00
    The following message was delivered at Grace Community Church in Panorama
    City, California, By John MacArthur Jr. It was transcribed from the tape,
    GC
    90-62, titled "Charismatic Chaos" Part 11. A copy of the tape can be
    obtained
    by writing, Word of Grace, P.O. Box 4000, Panorama City, CA 91412.

    I have made
    every effort to ensure that an accurate transcription of the
    original tape was
    made. Please note that at times sentence structure may
    appear to vary from
    accepted English conventions. This is due primarily to
    the techniques
    involved in preaching and the obvious choices I had to make in
    placing the
    correct punctuation in the article.

    It is my intent and prayer that the Holy
    Spirit will use this transcription
    of the sermon, "Charismatic Chaos" Part 11,
    to strengthen and encourage the
    true Church of Jesus Christ.



    Charismatic Chaos - Part 11

    "What is True Spirituality?"
    by
    John
    MacArthur


    Now we come to the next in our series that we have been studying on
    the
    Charismatic movement. Tonight we want to talk about the subject, "What
    is
    True Spirituality?" In Romans 12:2 we find a good starting point for our thinking tonight, and that is this statement by the Apostle Paul, "Do not be conformed to this world; but be transformed by the renewing of your mind." Transformed by the renewing of your mind.

    Many Charismatics believe that you
    can renew your mind and achieve holiness
    without any conscious effort. They
    would say (some of them), that
    sanctification can come to you through an
    experience, effortlessly; sometimes
    even through subliminal conditioning. My
    first exposure to the notion of
    subliminal spirituality came a few years ago
    when I received a flyer
    advertising subliminal neckties. They were fairly
    stylish paisley ties;
    normal looking at a casual glance. But the ad copy
    informed the prospective
    buyer,

    Hidden in the fabric, almost totally
    undetectable to the human
    eye are the words "Jesus Saves, Jesus Saves."
    The ties are made
    from anointed cloth offered by a Charismatic
    enterprise [and]
    can be yours for a tax deductible love gift of $30.
    You could
    also buy seven for a tax deductible gift of $200 to help us
    feed
    the hungry.

    We are not sure who the hungry are but I am sure that
    would help. Quoting
    the ad further,

    For years Russian and Communist
    scientists have experimented
    with subliminal advertising designed to
    influence unsuspecting
    consumers to their ideology and propaganda. Now,
    the Lord has
    revealed to His people how to use it for His glory.

    A
    magnified picture of one of the ties revealed that indeed the words "Jesus Saves, Jesus Saves, Jesus Saves, Jesus Saves," were over and over again woven through the fabric. "When worn," the leaflet promised, "The words 'Jesus Saves' are actually being planted in the subconscious minds of everyone who sees it." In other words, you can do your witnessing without ever having to say a word to anybody. At the time it frankly struck me as a bizarre,
    somewhat atypical oddity, but in retrospect I see that it was something of a harbinger of one of the latest fads in the Charismatic movement: this idea of subliminal messaging. Despite having some occult overtones and some New Age involvement, and for all intents and purposes being absolutely useless, it
    has
    quickly become a popular means of addressing spiritual, emotional, and
    health
    problems among Charismatics.

    I mentioned earlier in our study the subliminal
    word therapy tapes offered by
    the Raffa Ranch (sp.) as a means of healing
    cancer patients. Raffa offers
    the subliminal messaging cassette tapes for
    $14.95 each, and although the
    price seems high, thousands of people
    desperately seeking cure for cancer
    have evidently been willing to pay the
    price. Linda Fell (sp.) explains how
    the tapes were born; she says,

    In
    1983, God healed me of Breast Cancer and called me to raise
    up a place
    where cancer victims can come and be healed. In
    obedience to that call,
    our family of four moved to 70 acres of
    land in a small rural community
    in Northwest Florida, and there
    we began construction on the 5,000
    square foot Raffa Ranch
    lodge. After almost two years we had received
    our first cancer
    patient and quickly realized that our commission would
    not be an
    easy one. Over the next two years we learned much, but
    continued to see the majority of our guests die. We continually
    cried out to God to show us how to get the Word in His precious
    people in their crisis situation, and one day we stumbled on to
    a
    television program describing how the subliminal process was
    helping
    masses of people use positive affirmation.

    The idea came--could the
    pure Word of God be used in a similar
    fashion? After two months of some
    research and much prayer we
    knew we had not only a creative idea but a
    mandate from God to
    produce a tool that would help heal the sick. The
    Lord said
    that I was to be the voice since He could trust my spirit,
    and
    use Christian musicians, engineers and studios to create this
    tape. In June of '88 "The Word Therapy Healing" tape was
    released
    and healing reports were immediate; within two weeks a
    woman was healed
    of cancer.

    To those who, by the way, might have fears that subliminal
    therapy is of the
    Devil, Mrs. Fells writes,

    Your cautions are
    justified as you approach subliminal tapes; be
    assured of this, there is
    no need to fear our tapes. They are
    holy and have the blessing of the
    Lord on them; we use no
    hypnosis, no relaxation technique, no New Age,
    or deceptive
    practices; simply a modern technological method of multi-
    track
    duplication of the pure Word of God. Your first tape will
    convince you as the anointing will destroy the yoke. If the
    Apostles were alive today, they would consider "Word Therapy" a
    scroll of the 90's.

    Several Charismatic ministries offer these
    subliminal tapes; one group called
    "Renew Ministries" offer continuous play
    tapes for $20 (a continuous play
    means you don't have to rewind them); they
    promise you freedom from doubt,
    fear, failure, fear of death, guilt, grief,
    depression, temper, pride, lust,
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    Now, you might
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    on different tracks, simultaneously chanting a message aimed
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    goes.

    Other
    companies use variations of that approach. "Life Source," an El Paso
    based
    ministry, uses an audible track of ocean waves. Inaudible, subliminal background tracks carry Scripture verses. You can hear the waves, you can't hear the verses. Healing evangelist Vicky Jamineson Peterson (sp.) of Tulsa, Oklahoma, plays a reading of the entire King James Version, New Testament, at
    a rapid speed on a 60 minute cassette. Imagine, the entire New Testament in
    60 minutes! Her brochures promise that positive suggestions are being stored in your belief system at a rate of 100,000 suggestions an hour!

    You wrap
    this all up and it's all so easy and it's all so effortless; you put
    on a tape
    and you get 100,000 suggestions for your spiritual life, you get
    cured of
    every problem you have, you get all the demons chased away, and if
    you put it
    on your tie the people who see your tie are going to get saved!
    This is all
    so painless, it's all so easy. Supposedly you can absorb
    Scripture without
    ever paying attention to it. You can get involved in
    spiritual development,
    spiritual growth, miracles, and so forth without ever
    opening your Bible.
    Things like fervent prayer and diligent holiness, and
    earnest devotion, and
    careful study, and conscientious meditation on the
    things of God are rendered
    unecessary by this approach. It used to be that
    losing weight required self-
    control and some discipline. Now, we are told a
    continuous play tape can
    exercise demons of fat and gluttony for you and
    there is absolutely nothing to
    it; pay the money and you are delivered. More
    important, it used to be that
    faith and spiritual understanding and
    righteousness were pursued through
    disciplined lives of devotion and study
    and prayer, and now the proponents of
    subliminal therapy promise that
    holiness can happen to you even while
    asleep!

    Subliminal sanctification and the Charismatic movement seem to be
    good
    partners; they fit together perfectly. From the very beginning
    Charismatic
    movements, whichever of them, have promised primarily shortcuts to
    spiritual
    maturity. One of the greatest attractions of the Charismatic
    movement has
    always been that it offers believers "Power, Understanding, and
    Spirituality"
    immediately through some kind of experience; and if you just
    have the
    experience--you've got it without the time, without the pain, without
    the
    progress, without the struggle that's natural to any growth process.

    The question is, "Is this really a shortcut to sanctification? Can a
    believer
    receive subliminal messages, a divine jolt, or some other kind of
    quick,
    immediate power boost and be instantly brought out of infancy into
    maturity?"
    The answer is, "Not according to Scripture." For the typical
    Charismatic the
    gateway to spirituality is through an experience, and that
    experience is
    usually defined as the "Baptism of the Spirit with speaking in
    Tongues." They
    tell us that if you have that experience--you are zapped! It
    accurately
    describes the way most Charismatics view sanctification; they
    think you go
    along in your Christian life until you get the Baptism of the
    Spirit, speak in
    Tongues, you get the "zap" and then you have been elevated
    to sanctification.
    Some would go so far as to say you've reached the "Second
    level of Grace."

    There are many Charismatics who will even use the word "zap" and say, "Well, may Jesus zap you!" I had the occasion (it was a strange and bizarre one) to be invited to speak at the "Full Gospel Businessmen's Luncheon." That is a Charismatic group. They were having their Southern California Luncheon and somebody in the group thought that I had had the Gift of Tongues, that somewhere along the line I had gotten the Baptism of the Spirit and had
    spoken
    in Tongues; and they invited me to be the speaker. They asked me to
    speak on
    "Speaking in Tongues." This is true! And this was when Jay Leddy
    was still
    on our church staff and he went with me. I thought they were just
    open and
    wanted to hear the other side. They thought I had the "Gift." And
    so I went
    and they had a nice lunch and after lunch I got up, and I launched
    into my
    Biblical discussion on the reality of what the Bible says about
    Tongues. And
    I could note there was a severe amount of nervousness and
    movement in the
    crowd, and I didn't know why because I thought these gracious
    people just
    wanted to know what the other side believes.

    So I continued to "wax
    eloquent" about what I believed the Bible was teaching
    about the cessation of
    the Gift of Tongues, and that it had no part for today
    and that it was a false
    standard of spirituality and things like that. It
    was the only time that I
    can remember in my ministry that I was literally,
    physically, pulled out of
    the pulpit! A man grabbed my arm and pulled me
    down in a chair--before I was
    finished! And he got up and he said, "We've
    got to stop and have prayer for
    this brother because he's deceived and
    confused" (and then I was really
    confused because I thought that I was doing
    what they expected me to do). I
    will never forget his prayer. He started
    out by saying, "We want to pray for
    this brother, that sometime soon, in the
    middle of the night, the Holy Spirit
    will zap him!" That's exactly what he
    said and that's what he prayed. So I
    have heard that term used.

    Charismatic evangelist, Norvall Hayes (sp.)
    explained what happened when he
    got his zap,

    God came on me so strong
    and started blessing me so much, I just
    fell on my knees and began
    crying and weeping and getting
    blessed. I found out that God loves me
    and He was petting me
    because I obeyed the Holy Spirit.

    That's somewhat
    like the experience of many. Unfortunately, the Charismatic
    movement has
    divided Christianity into two levels--the Zapped and the
    Unzapped. And the
    Zapped believe they are at least a bit more spiritual then
    the Unzapped. Like
    it or not, the effect has been severely schismatic. Some
    of the Unzapped
    wonder why they don't have the experiences that their
    Charismatic friends
    describe. Charismatics argue that unless you have the
    Baptism of the Holy
    Spirit with Tongues, you can't function the way God
    really wants you to;
    you're missing something. If on the other hand, you do
    have the Baptism of
    the Spirit with Tongues, you have been elevated to a
    level of spirituality and
    sanctification.

    A good example of this particular kind of viewpoint is
    Melvin Hodges' book
    called "Spiritual Gifts" and I quote,

    While the
    full manifestation of a person's gift and ministry
    must await the
    fullness of the Spirit, there may be a partial
    measure of spiritual
    ministry and incomplete manifestation of
    spiritual gifts or endowments
    before the culmination of the
    Pentecostal gift is experienced. We must
    not lose sight of the
    fact that in the New Testament, the Baptism in the
    Holy Spirit
    (with the Charismatic experience) is considered an essential
    and
    primary requisite for a fully developed spiritual life and
    ministry.

    And he is doing deference to people like me and others who have
    some kind of
    a ministry, because you just can't just flatly deny that people
    have a
    ministry, but it is a second class ministry: it is a partial measure
    of
    spiritual ministry, an incomplete manifestation of spiritual gifts and endowments because we have never had the culminating Pentecostal Gift of the Baptism of the Spirit and that "Zap."

    Now, are these people correct when
    they say this? Is there a gap between
    Christians? Are there two levels? Do
    the Charismatics have some other level
    of Spirituality they have attained?
    And are non-Charismatic Christians
    somehow mired in the muck of a second-
    classed Christianity? We want to
    answer that question by considering the
    Scripture. I think we need to be
    very direct in going to the Word of God so
    that we can understand it. A
    foundational place to go (and you can turn there
    in your Bible, and we are
    going to go through these fairly rapidly because I
    know these are truths with
    which you are familiar) but it is 1 Corinthians 2,
    and I want to kind of give
    you a little bit of a feeling here for some of the
    terminology that is
    important to the issue.

    1 Corinthians 2, verses 14 and
    15,

    But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of
    God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand
    them, because they are spiritually appraised. But he who is
    spiritual appraises all things, yet he himself is appraised by
    no
    man.

    Paul spent most of 1 Corinthians 2 discussing the difference between
    the
    natural man and the spiritual man, and that's the difference between the unsaved and the saved. The unregenerate is the natural man and the
    regenerate
    is the spiritual man. The natural man doesn't know God, he is
    unsaved,
    isolated in his humanness and sin, and headed for hell. He cannot
    understand
    the things of the Spirit. In contrast the spiritual man knows God
    and
    understands spiritual things.

    Now, that is very basic, and what I want you
    to understand is according to
    1 Corinthians 2, all Christians are--what?
    Spiritual! It's basic; its basic
    terminology. That's our position in
    Christ. We are alive in the Spirit; we
    have the life of God within our souls;
    we possess the Holy Spirit (as Romans
    8:6-9 clearly indicates). And again in
    Romans 8, if we look at that, and I
    would just draw you there for a brief
    moment (chapter 8 of Romans) to affirm
    that same thought. Romans 8:6,

    The mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the
    Spirit
    is life and peace, [same contrast] because the mind set
    on the flesh is
    hostile toward God, for it does not subject
    itself to the law of God,
    for it's not even able to do so; and
    those who are in the flesh cannot
    please God, however you are
    not in the flesh but in the Spirit.

    And
    then he goes on to say the Spirit of God dwells in you. Only two kinds
    of
    people: those in the flesh and those in the Spirit. Those in the Spirit
    are
    Spiritual, and those who are natural are also fleshly. So in the purest, truest, simplest sense, there are only two kinds of people: spiritual people, and natural people, who are also carnal people. The first understanding that
    I want you to have is that unregenerate people are natural; that is, they
    live
    according to human nature and they are carnal or "fleshy." They operate
    out
    of the flesh--the impulse of the flesh. Christian people are spiritual;
    the
    Holy Spirit dwells within them; their inner man has been made alive; they
    are
    new creations; they are sensitive to God and alive to spiritual reality.
    Now,
    that's basic.

    Now, to be spiritual simply means to be alive to God, to
    possess the Holy
    Spirit, and all Christians are spiritual and all non-
    believers are carnal and
    natural. But let me take it a step further. It is
    possible for a spiritual
    believer to act in a carnal way. In other words, it
    is possible for us to
    behave like our old self. We understand that don't we?
    We still have the
    remaining flesh; that carnal reality is there and it is
    very possible that
    that carnal reality, that unredeemed human flesh, can still
    exercise and
    exert its power. And so I want you to look for a moment at
    1
    Corinthians, chapter 3. Christians are spiritual--they just don't always
    act
    spiritual. And that is really contrary to our own new nature.

    But Paul says
    (interesting way he words his words in 1 Corinthians 3:1),

    I brethren,
    could not speak to you as to spiritual men, I should
    have been able to
    talk to you as spiritual men, but I couldn't,
    and I had to speak to you
    as men of flesh. I had to talk to you
    like you were still unregenerate,
    as if you were just infantile
    in Christ.

    Obviously, one who is new in
    Christ, one who is an infant in Christ is going
    to have a greater struggle
    with the flesh (right?) then one who is mature in
    Christ. And so he says,

    You're acting as if you're brand new baby Christians struggling
    with the flesh that's continually gaining the victory over you,
    and
    I can't even talk to you as spiritual because you have
    succumbed so
    frequently to the flesh.

    In verse 2, he says,

    I can't even give you
    meat (solid food); I have to give you milk
    because you can't handle the
    meat, (verse 3) "Because you are
    still fleshy. For since there is
    jealousy and strife among you,
    are you not fleshy, ("fleshly" it says
    but "fleshy" is a good
    way to translate that) and are you not walking
    like mere men?"

    There's the key! He says, you're walking like natural men;
    you're acting
    like you used to act. You're spiritual but you are acting like
    a natural
    man, and that is, you are succumbing to the flesh. He should have
    been able
    to talk to them as spiritual because they were Christians, but they
    weren't
    acting spiritual; they were not receiving the Word; there was
    unholiness in
    their lives; they were behaving carnally; and they had to be
    dealt with as if
    they were brand new baby Christians who were still being
    victimized by the
    things that used to be a part of their life.

    Now, all
    Christians face the same problem. All Christians are spiritual
    positionally,
    but we are not always spiritually practically, right? We are
    alive to God, we
    sense God, the Spirit lives in us; the life of Christ has
    manifested itself in
    us and we are a new creation, but we don't always act
    like that because we are
    incarcerated in the unredeemed flesh and it rears
    its ugly head. I think a
    good illustration of this is the Apostle Peter,
    borrowing a little bit from a
    pre-Church text, but he fits the picture so
    well. In Matthew 16 Peter
    recognized Christ as the Son of the Living God,
    you remember that, and Jesus
    immediately responded and said, "Blessed are
    you, Simon, and now I am going to
    change your name to Peter (which meant
    rock). You are going to be a new
    person: you are going to be solid like a
    rock."

    But in John 21, a lot
    later, Jesus met Peter on the shore of the Sea of
    Galilee and Peter had denied
    Christ (you know all about that). But Peter,
    even after the resurrection, was
    still weak. Before the resurrection he was
    in a denial state; after the
    resurrection he was in a disobedient state. And
    he had gone back to fishing
    and the Lord confronts him and calls him to task
    and asks him if he loves Him,
    and if he'll feed His sheep and goes through
    all of that. And when the Lord
    talked to him, remember those three times He
    said, "Do you love Me?" He
    didn't call him Peter; what did He call him?
    "Simon! Simon, Simon, Simon!"
    Why did He do that? After all he had been
    given a new name, "Rock." I'll
    tell you why He did it, because he wasn't
    acting like a rock; he was acting
    like a Simon. He wasn't acting like a
    transformed man; he was acting like the
    guy he used to be. Whenever he acted
    like the guy he used to be Jesus called
    him by his old name, which is a
    pretty vivid reminder.

    What Peter had done
    and what all of us do, from time to time, is temporarily
    cease from following
    closely after Christ. Even after Pentecost Peter
    continued to struggle. And
    do you realize that if you go back to Galatians,
    chapter 2, you read one of
    the most devastating accounts. Galatians 2:11-12;
    the Apostle Paul had to go
    nose-to-nose with Peter and confront him because
    he was acting in a carnal
    way. And he did that publicly before all those
    Jews up there, and confronted
    Peter in Antioch, and that whole thing was so
    embarrassing to Peter. And it
    got written in the Bible; as if Peter didn't
    have enough "Bad Press" in the
    gospels, he has to show up in the epistles?
    And there he is again getting
    labeled as this "Guy who can't seem to get his
    act together." And he says,
    "You are acting in a fleshy way!"

    There is some measure of comfort in that
    for all of us, to find out that one
    of the choicest apostles of all "stumbles
    and bumbles" his way around, both
    before and after Pentecost. We would like
    to relegate him to some other
    dispensation and make ourselves feel more
    guilty, I guess, for our failures,
    but it is fortunate that he failed after
    the resurrection and Pentecost just
    so that we know that this is reality. So
    it is that we do the same thing; we
    are new creations and we have been
    transformed, but very often we act in a
    fleshy way. I think the Apostle Paul
    fully understood this (don't you, in
    Romans 6-7?), he says, "With my mind the
    law of God; with my redeemed nature,
    but also with my flesh I serve the law of
    sin or the principle of sin
    operating in me." And he says, "I can't stand
    this struggle because I don't
    want to do what I do and I don't do what I want
    to do, and I am a wretched
    man and how am I going to get out of this mess?"
    Spirituality, beloved, is not some permanent state that you enter into the minute you get zapped! You are spiritual positionally, but practically you never enter into a permanent state of spirituality. You don't have some zap and become spiritual. Spirituality is simply receiving the Living Word daily from God and letting it dwell in you richly and then living it out in the fullness of obedience. It is walking by the Spirit, and you will not carry
    out the desire of the flesh. It doesn't say, "Have one zap and you are set
    for life, of five zaps, or wait for the next zap, or go to the meeting where they zap you." It just says, "Walk in the Spirit and you'll overcome the flesh."

    The word "walk" is a very important word in the New Testament. It
    means
    "moment by moment conduct." It's a choice word: you walk one foot at a
    time
    and one step at a time. Paul said in Galatians 5:25, "If we live by
    the
    Spirit," and we do--better to translate, "Since we live by the Spirit,
    since
    we are spiritual, then let's just take one step at a time in the power
    of the
    Spirit. Obedient to the Word which dwells in us richly." Walking
    speaks
    about a measured pace, one step at a time, and that's how true
    spirituality
    functions--one step at a time, one moment at a time. A basic
    mark, just to
    kind of help you follow this through a little bit more, a basic
    mark of true
    spirituality is a deep awareness of sin. You know I hear people
    who say they
    reach a certain level of being zapped, and now they feel they
    reached a
    certain level of holiness. That is a dead giveaway that there is no
    sense of
    an understanding of spirituality.

    You show me a truly spiritual
    man and I will show you a man that is
    overwhelmed, not with his holiness but
    with his sinfulness; even though it
    may appear to everybody else to be less
    than the rest, it is monumental to a
    spiritual man! It is not that he now
    feels himself to have arrived, it is
    that when he is spiritual he knows full
    well that he is far from where he
    ought to be. The spiritual man is aware of
    his sin. In Scripture, those who
    most despise their sinfulness were often
    those who were the most spiritual.
    Paul didn't say, "I have arrived at a very
    high level of spirituality." Paul
    said, "I am (not was, 1 Timothy 1:15) the
    chief sinner!" Peter said, "Depart
    from me, O Lord, for I am a sinful man"
    (Luke 5:8). Isaiah, the godliest man
    in his nation, said, "Woe is me! Damn
    me! Curse me! Sentence me to
    judgment for I am a man with a dirty mouth"
    (Isaiah 6:5). The spiritual man
    realizes he is in a death struggle with sin,
    and Paul said, "Look, (1
    Corinthians 15:31) I have to die" How often?
    "Daily! This war goes on every
    day and I have to slay this guy name Paul,
    this fleshly man, who though
    spiritual in the inner man is still victimized by
    his remaining humanness."

    The ultimate objective of the spiritual man is to be
    like Christ and nobody
    gets there. Paul writes, "Not that I have already
    obtained it (in this life,
    not until glory)." Paul writes,

    Not that I
    have already obtained it, or have already have become
    perfect, but I
    press on in order that I may lay hold of that for
    which also I was laid
    hold of by Christ Jesus. Brethren, I do
    not regard myself as having
    laid hold of it yet; but one thing I
    do: forgetting what lies behind and
    reaching forward to what
    lies ahead, I press on toward the goal for the
    prize of the
    upward call of God in Christ Jesus (Philippians 3:12-14).

    And what was the goal? Christlikeness, and the goal is the prize. The prize is Christlikeness and the goal is Christlikeness. Paul said, "I am not
    there;
    I haven't attained it; I'm pressing towards it." Many Charismatics,
    however,
    insist that once you get the Baptism of the Spirit--spirituality is
    yours!
    But unfortunately it doesn't work that way, so you know what happens?
    They
    live under a false assumption of their true spiritual condition. When
    the
    glow of one experience fades they are forced to find another experience,
    and
    then another experience. And they find that a second work of grace is
    not
    enough, and a third, and a forth, and a fifth, and so on. And they seem
    to
    have diminishing returns, and in their effort to seek something more they
    often unwittingly abandon the Bible; they unwittingly abandon prayer and the true path of spirituality and they run errantly and wildly down a road of experience that leads to an inevitable increasing carnality.

    Charismatic
    books and pamphlets and articles are filled with testimonies,
    also of how a
    certain special experience brought a new degree of
    spirituality. The
    testimony follow something like this,

    When I was baptized by the
    Spirit, when I spoke in tongues, then
    I began to live a more holy life
    (you've heard that). I had
    more power, I had more freedom, I had more
    joy, I had effective
    witness, more love, more fulfillment as a
    Christian.

    I have heard that many, many times. And although not all
    Charismatics are
    consistent on this point, most would strongly connect that
    with speaking in
    tongues as a means of obtaining that spirituality. But
    Scripture just
    doesn't support that idea. In 1 Corinthians 1:7, Paul
    commended the Church
    at Corinth and this is what he said, "You are not lacking
    in any gift, you
    are not lacking in any gift." They had all the gifts: they
    had the gifts of
    prophecy, knowledge, miracles, healings, tongues,
    interpretations of
    tongues--they had them all in the Corinthian Church! They
    also had every
    imaginable spiritual problem. They were spiritual in terms of
    their gifts,
    they had spiritual gifts. The true Christians were spiritual in
    terms of
    their position, but their actions were carnal and the Church was in
    carnal
    chaos. You see spirituality isn't related to your gifts or to even
    some
    supernatural kind of manifestation through those gifts of miracles,
    healings,
    tongues, and interpretation.

    The Corinthian believers of the
    First Century were not unique; Christians
    today face similar problems. We are
    saved, we have the Holy Spirit, we have
    certain spiritual gifts but we still
    struggle with the flesh. Your spiritual
    gift doesn't change your struggle
    with the flesh at all. If tongues is a
    spiritual gift then why in the world
    would tongues change your spiritual
    struggle? It certainly didn't do anything
    for the Corinthians; they were
    still fleshly, carnal. He said that to them in
    chapter 3, as I read a little
    bit ago, "You have all the gifts and you are
    carnal!" So even having the
    gift of tongues has no relationship to your
    spirituality. Do you see that?
    It doesn't have any relationship to it. No
    spiritual gift will guarantee
    that you are going to win the struggle and live
    on a supernatural spiritual
    plain. The only way you can win the spiritual
    battle and live according to
    your position as a spiritual being, having been
    transformed, is to walk in
    the Spirit; Galatians 5:16, "Walk in the Spirit and
    you will not
    fulfill. . ." what? "The lusts of the flesh."

    You overcome
    the flesh by a daily, step-by-step obedience to the Spirit of
    God. And I have
    to say that any discerning Charismatic will, and perhaps
    some do, admit that
    he or she has just as much trouble with the flesh and the
    appetites and lusts
    and desires of the flesh as anybody else! Enthusiasm,
    euphoria, fervor,
    excitement, emotion, all of that stuff, all the things
    Charismatics tend to
    equate with spiritual intensity, have no power to
    restrain lusts, no power to
    conquer pride, no power to overcome selfishness,
    no power to deal with greed;
    none at all.

    Charismatics, whose only strength is drawn from the last high,
    the last
    experience, in fact, are more likely to be spiritually weak and
    spiritually
    immature. Dr. Charles Smith, who is now with the Lord, was the
    dean of our
    seminary, points out, and I quote,

    The doctrines of free
    love and spiritual marriages have too
    often appeared in association with
    tongues. Perversion of the
    Biblically teaching relating to sex and
    marriage can be seen in
    the Mormons and the Shakers. Amy Simple
    McPherson (started the
    Four Square Church) was not the only tongues
    leader to receive a
    revelation that her marriage was not "in the Lord"
    and that she
    should enter another union. One of the serious problems of
    the
    Pentecostal movement has been the fact that many of its leaders
    have fallen into immorality. One well known Pentecostal
    preacher,
    a woman widowed for three years, professed to be with
    child by the Holy
    Ghost! Pharham, father of the modern
    Pentecostal movement was arrested
    for the grossest of
    immoralities.

    Now what he is pointing out is
    something we continue to see played out on the
    scene today, right? This
    problem of gross immorality, this problem of a
    lifestyle totally inconsistent
    with spirituality; what you have got here are
    people who are getting "zapped"
    all the time but on the contrary are not only
    not spiritual, but tend to give
    manifestations of unspiritual lives, carnal
    fleshly lives that are preoccupied
    with lust, pride, selfishness, and greed.
    To compound the difficulty, when
    they stumble they are not even likely to
    take the responsibility for it. They
    are going to blame demonic power,
    rather than examining their theology or
    their fleshly will or their Biblical
    ignorance.

    With all their claims of
    new power and a new level of spirituality the
    Charismatics have no guarantee
    that any of their ecstatic experiences will
    put them in any kind of lasting
    spiritual condition. Now, please understand
    that I am not saying there aren't
    people in the Charismatic movement who are
    spiritual--there are. There are
    people who are in those churches who walk in
    the Spirit because they love
    Christ truly, they study His word; but the upper
    echelon propagation, the
    stuff they are telling people and the "party-line"
    (if you will) about
    spirituality is not legitimate. No matter what kind of
    experience they think
    they've had, no matter how often they speak in tongues,
    no matter how
    frequently they get slain in the Spirit (One of their leaders
    said, "If you
    not slain in the Spirit every week, you're never going to able
    to live the
    Christian life."), no matter how many times they fall over
    backwards they
    still face the same challenge given to every Christian--they
    have to walk in
    the power of the Spirit and obedience to the Word which they
    understand; die
    to self and sin everyday.

    There isn't any shortcut. And I want to submit to
    you that begins with the
    mind and not the emotion. That begins with an
    understanding of truth, an
    understanding of Scripture, an understanding of
    God, and Christ, and man, and
    sin, and the Holy Spirit. It starts with the
    mind. Unfortunately there is
    so much doctrinal ignorance in the movement that
    the people are trying to
    function without an understanding of who God is, who
    Christ is, what the
    Bible teaches about the Spirit and spiritual life. How
    many people join that
    movement because they have been promised an easy answer
    to problems and a
    quick and easy path to instant godliness? It's sad.
    Sometimes I look at it
    and I think it's more giddy than godly. You can turn
    on, almost any night,
    on Charismatic television and see it.

    It's
    emphasizing amusement and frivolity, and there is a lot of laughing and
    sort
    of breathless gushing and time for silliness, bafoonery, and shallow
    talk.
    You look at the expensive lavish clothing and the whole scene that
    goes with
    it, the behavior, so many women who seem, to me at least, to
    violate most
    everything that is taught in 1 Peter 3 and 1 Timothy 2, and I
    get embarrassed
    because I know the watching world is looking at this and
    assuming that this is
    Christianity. I mean, this has got to be
    Christianity--it says it is! There
    is nothing wrong with being happy, I am a
    happy person. I mean, I am always
    happy. In fact, I've always said that, "I
    think God has taken happiness from
    a whole lot of people just to give it to
    me because I have more than anyone
    could imagine."

    There is nothing wrong with praising God and laughing and
    feeling self-
    fulfilled, enjoying your Christian life and enjoying life in
    general. But,
    it seems to me that many in the Charismatic movement seem so
    determined to
    pursue the emotional high, the quick thrill, the exciting event,
    the
    electrifying moment, the exhilarating conference, that they don't know
    anything about the serious part of spiritual life. They don't know about the consistent walk with God that deals with the reality of your life, and therefore, they have given up the rich rewards of that walk; and they have settled for a superficial frivolity, sort of a cheap substitute; and gaiety
    is
    no substitute for godliness.

    Real godliness doesn't carry with it some kind
    of silly emotional high.
    Again I say, that the truly spiritual and truly
    godly person pursues
    righteousness with a burning sense of conviction, with a
    deep awareness of
    his own sin. And when the Spirit of God is at work there is
    deep joy, but
    there is also a sort of corresponding profound sorrow. Walter
    Chantery (sp.)
    has aptly written and I quote from him,

    When the Holy
    Spirit comes to sinful men, He initially brings
    sorrow, but in
    Charismatic circles there is only the boast of
    rapid transport to joy
    and peace. Any religious experiences
    that brings immediate rejoicing
    and uninterrupted cheerfulness
    are not to be trusted. There is much
    more to spirituality than
    a lifting of the spirits and the entering into
    the exuberant
    life and in extending one's succession of thrilling
    experiences.
    Yet, in many of the popular neo-Pentcostal societies, you
    will
    look in vain for anything else. No one who has God's spirit can
    walk through our world without deep groanings of sorrow and
    distress when the stench of immorality feels his nostrils. The
    spirit filled man cannot be happy, happy, happy, all the day!
    If
    the Spirit were to come powerfully today, it would not be to
    make men
    clap their hands for joy but to make them smite their
    breasts in
    sorrow.

    And Chantrey (sp.) adds, "He's not the jolly spirit--He's the Holy
    Spirit!"
    Charismatics usually give the impression however, that it is more
    jolly than
    holy. And I don't want to be ungracious to those in the movement
    who are
    genuine, and there are many. But the face of Charimaticism that we
    see cast
    before us projects so much of this. Meanwhile, the self-indulgence
    in
    immoderation gets louder, gaudier, flashier, and more eccentric. This
    trend
    I don't see as the fruit of genuine godliness.

    One of the most
    unfortunate characteristics of this movement is the continual
    emphasis also on
    the astonishing, and the dramatic, and the sensational, and
    the idea that that
    has got to be the part of everyday life. The effect
    really is to intimidate
    anybody who is not getting the same kind of results:
    tongues and prophecies
    and spiritual pyrotechnics and whatever else is going
    on, miraculously filled
    fuel tanks and audible voices from God and all that.
    There are people--you've
    got to know that those churches are filled with
    people who don't quite have
    that spectacular list of events on their weekly
    schedule. They are getting,
    frankly, not any spectactular things at all, and
    they live through a dry
    spell. And you have got to wonder what they think
    and how unfulfiling and sad
    of heart they find themselves.

    The Apostle Paul knew what it was to be
    scorned, and he knew what it was to
    be intimidated by people who felt they had
    attained a higher level than he.
    Did you know that? Second Corinthians, you
    don't have to turn to it, we
    don't have time, but in 2 Corinthians, you read
    chapter 9 and to the end, and
    Paul talks about the "Super Apostles." Remember
    he had poured out 18 months
    of his life and love establishing the Corinthian
    Church. And when he wrote
    back two letters, obviously there were so many
    problems. The worst of it,
    from his viewpoint was, some guys had risen in the
    Church who wanted to
    destroy Paul. There whole view was that Paul was not an
    honorable man and
    that they had reached a higher level of spirituality than he
    and they were
    the "Super Apostles." By the way, the leader of that group, I
    believe, was
    the thorn in the flesh, the messenger from Satan that really tore
    him up.

    They came to town while he was gone, or they rose from the
    congregation while
    he was gone. They were the new guys. They love to extol
    themselves and
    elevate themselves; they had the power, they had the
    experience, they had the
    estacies. They had swept the Corinthian believers
    off their feet and it
    broke the heart of Paul because people in the Church
    were believing them and
    following them and turning their back on Paul. And it
    all came back to Paul
    that his spirituality was in question. He didn't
    measure up to the
    superstars; he didn't measure up to these new guys. They
    were saying that
    Paul couldn't play in their league. How did Paul respond?
    He didn't rattle
    off a list of healings or other miracles he had performed;
    instead he
    presented his credientials. He didn't say, "Well, I have raised
    five and you
    know, I've healed a 1,000. I've cast demons out of 1,500; here's
    a few
    illustrations." Do you know what he said? He said,

    I want to
    present my credientials: five times I received thirty-
    nine lashes.
    Three times I had been beaten with rods, once I
    had been stoned and
    left for dead, three times I have been
    shipwrecked, I have spent a night
    and a day in the sea. I have
    been hungry and sleepless, I have been in
    dangers from robbers
    and Gentiles and even my own countrymen. I have
    been run out of
    town more times than I can even remember. I've got a
    thorn in
    the flesh that the Lord won't even take away and I have asked
    Him three times. You know what? Do you want to know my
    credientials? I am well content with weakness, insults,
    ditresses,
    persecutions, difficulties for Christ's sake, for
    when I am weak then I
    am strong. I have become foolish; you
    yourselves compelled me.
    Actually, I should have been commended
    by you for in no respect was I
    inferior to the most immenient
    apostles, even though I am a nobody.

    Wow, what an amazing list of credentials. It seems to me very doubful that Paul would have made much of a guest on a Charismatic television show.
    Instead of being "Slain in the Spirit" he was almost slain in the body over
    and over again. He couldn't even remember his visions; he couldn't even get
    on to tell them. Second Corinthians 12:1-4 he mentions being caught up to
    the
    third heaven fourteen years before, but he couldn't rememeber the
    details.
    Now, how are you going to make a career out of that if you can't
    even
    remember what happened? Instead of emphasizing his miraculous trip to
    the
    third heaven and back, he wanted to talk about his weakness, and he
    wanted to
    talk about his pain! Because all of that weakness and all of that
    pain put
    all the glory in the place it should be and gave it to God. That's
    the kind
    of true spirituality that is missing in the movement, and that's the
    kind of
    true spirituality that doesn't make it on the "Best Seller" chart.

    According
    to Paul, his life was weak, his life was wretched, his life was
    desperate, he
    was humble, he was the chief sinner, he was in a constant state
    of stress,
    tension, fear, even misery from the time he came to Christ until
    his head got
    cut off. The same is true of the other apostles: Peter, James,
    [and] John.
    You never find anywhere some kind of catalog of all their
    escapades. See,
    they learned that true spirituality was walking humbly
    before God in the power
    of the Holy Spirit; that's where spirituality is.

    Well, there is much more to
    be said, but I just remind you that perhaps the
    best and clearest definition
    of true spirituality comes in the simple
    statement of Ephesians 5, which says,
    "Be not drunk with wine, in which is
    excess; but be filled with the Spirit."
    I wish we had time to go into all
    that that means but allowing the Holy
    Spirit to control your life is the
    essential issue; and that comes when you
    submit yourselves to the Word of
    God. The path to true spirituality is
    through the Word, prayer, daily step
    by step commitment to the Holy Spirit.
    Aesop told about a dog who was crossing a bridge with a bone in his mouth.
    He
    looked over the edge, saw the reflection in the clear stream. The bone in
    the
    water looked better than the one in his mouth, so he gave up the reality
    for
    the reflection.

    My great fear is that there are many Christians who with
    great zeal and
    lacking knowledge are doing the very same thing. A false
    standard of
    spirituality will not restrain your flesh; witnesses are abundant
    to prove
    that. The only way to restrain your flesh and gain victory is true spirituality. Again I say, the path is through the Word and prayer to a
    daily
    walk with the Spirit. Let's bow in prayer.

    Father, just touching these
    things tonight reminds us that even while we are
    endeavoring to understand a
    movement that we feel doesn't honor You we don't
    want to leave it at that, we
    want to bring this into our own hearts and ask
    if we are on the path of true
    spirituality to the place of true obedience; if
    we are walking in the Spirit
    so that we don't fulfill the lusts of the flesh.
    Since we are spiritual and
    the Spirit dwells within us we must walk according
    to His will. So Father,
    may the Word of Christ dwell in us richly, and may
    that Word become the
    controlling principle that moves through our mind to our
    volition and yields
    our body and our mind to the controlling Spirit. May we
    know true
    spirituality, we who are spiritual, and give no occasion to the
    flesh, that we
    might live to your glory for Jesus' sake. Amen.

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  • From Ricky Sutphin@RICKSBBS to All on Sunday, January 25, 2026 03:51:00
    The following message was delivered at Grace Community Church in Panorama
    City, California, By John MacArthur Jr. It was transcribed from the tape,
    GC
    90-63, titled "Charismatic Chaos" Part 12. A copy of the tape can be
    obtained
    by writing, Word of Grace, P.O. Box 4000, Panorama City, CA 91412.

    I have made
    every effort to ensure that an accurate transcription of the
    original tape was
    made. Please note that at times sentence structure may
    appear to vary from
    accepted English conventions. This is due primarily to
    the techniques
    involved in preaching and the obvious choices I had to make in
    placing the
    correct punctuation in the article.

    It is my intent and prayer that the Holy
    Spirit will use this transcription
    of the sermon, "Charismatic Chaos" Part 12,
    to strengthen and encourage the
    true Church of Jesus Christ.



    Charismatic Chaos - Part 12

    "Does
    God Promise Health and Wealth?"
    (Part 2)
    by
    John
    MacArthur


    The subject tonight in our study of the Charismatic Chaos is the
    Health,
    Wealth, and Prosperity gospel. We can title this message with a
    question,
    "Does God Promise Health and Wealth?"

    When I was in the Soviet
    Union a couple of weeks ago they said to me, "We
    want you to preach on the
    'Health and Wealth' gospel." I was talking to
    hundreds of pastors, and Pastor
    DuChanchenko (sp.) who heads up the Church
    there in the Ukraine said, "I want
    you to preach on the 'Health-Wealth'
    gospel." I said, "You're not telling me
    that that's a problem here?" How
    could anybody go to the Soviet Union and
    promise people wealth? A whole
    nation in poverty! He said, "It's here." He
    said,

    Recently, outside of Kiev, a man came from America and he
    called
    the people in the city together, and he said [that] he
    represented
    Jesus Christ, and he was going to preach. And a great crowd
    of
    non-Christian people came to hear him, and he promised them that
    God wanted them healthy and wealthy! And he said that if they
    came
    back the next night the power of God would fall and they
    would all be
    healed! And so they came. A large crowd came and
    nobody got healed--
    and they spit on the man! They spit on the
    man!

    The kind of foolish
    promises that are being made that cannot be fulfilled
    bring a terrible
    reproach to the name of Christ.

    One of the most unusual legacies of World
    War II has been what are known as
    the "Cargo Cults of the South Pacific."
    Anybody who lives in Australia or
    New Zealand knows about them. Many
    Aboriginal Island people ranging from
    northern Australia to Indonesia were
    first exposed to modern civilization
    through the allied armed forces during
    World War II. The American military,
    in particular, often used these remote
    islands in the South Pacific as sites
    for temporary landing strips and supply
    depots. And those of you who
    remember the scenario of World War II--
    personally I have absolutely no memory
    of any of it because I was so small,
    but I have read and I know what
    occurred--some of you will even remember, and
    some of you will remember your
    history books and be reminded of the fact that
    we were all over the South
    Pacific on remote little islands with our landing
    strips and our supply
    depots so that we could keep our men in the air
    particularly. And so when
    Americans and other allies came to these little
    islands and met these
    Aboriginal island people they came bringing cargo. They
    flew in there,
    created these airstrips so they could fly larger equipment in
    there. And
    then they brought in huge warehouses full of cargo and they left
    as quickly
    as they came when the war ended. The tribal people had absolutely
    no
    opportunity to learn the ways of civilization, but for a brief moment
    they
    saw high technology up close. Cargo planes would swoop in from the sky,
    they
    would land, they would unload their payload and then takeoff.

    Natives
    that lived in the bush all of a sudden saw cigarette lighters that
    produced
    fire instantly and they believed it to be miraculous. They saw
    large machines
    come in and push trees down. They went all the way from not
    even having a
    wheel or a cart to seeing a Jeep, modern weaponry,
    refrigerators, radios
    (talking boxes), power tools, and many varieties of
    food in all kinds of cans
    and jars. They were fascinated by all of that and
    many of those tribal people
    concluded that the white men were gods. When the
    war was over and the troops
    were gone tribesmen built shrines to the "cargo
    gods." Their tabernacles were
    perfect replicas of cargo planes, control
    towers and airplane hangers. They
    made them out of bamboo and woven
    material. These structures look remarkably
    like the control towers and the
    plane hangers and the planes themselves, but
    they were really nonfunctional;
    all they were was shrines or temples to the
    cargo gods.

    On some of those remote islands today the cargo cults still
    thrive. Some
    have personified all Americans in one deity and they call that
    deity "Tom
    Navy." They pray for holy cargo from every airplane that flies
    over. They
    venerate religious relics like Zippo lighters, cameras,
    eyeglasses, ballpoint
    pens, nuts and bolts, and so on. As civilization has
    begun to penetrate some
    of these cultures their fascination for cargo has not
    diminished. In fact,
    missionaries that have been sent to these areas where
    cargo cults have
    flourished receive a warm reception at first because the
    cargo cultist view
    their arrival as the "Second Coming" of the cargo god. But
    they are looking
    for cargo--not gospel. And missionaries say they find it
    very difficult to
    penetrate the materialism that is the essence of the cargo
    cults.

    In recent years the Charismatic movement has spawned its own variety
    of cargo
    cult. It is called the "Word-Faith Movement"; known otherwise as the
    "Faith
    Movement," known as the "Faith Formula," known as the "Word of
    Faith,"
    "Hyperfaith," "Positive Confession," "Name It and Claim It," "Health,
    Wealth,
    and Prosperity Teaching," all of those titles. This subdivision of
    the
    Charismatic movement, listen, is easily as superstitious and materialistic
    as
    the "Cargo Cults" of the South Pacific. The Leaders of this Word-Faith movement, including Kenneth Hagin, Kenneth and Gloria Copeland, Robert
    Tilton,
    Fred Price, and Charles Capps (sp.), promise each believer financial
    prosperity and perfect health; anything less, they argue, is not God's will! And there are many people who "chime" in with this; in fact, if I understand, last week there was a great, great convocation at the church of Fred Price, which espouses this, attended by many, not only Charismatics and Pentecostals but even a leading Presbyterian pastor in our area. They were all there.

    The tentacles of this kind of theology has reached out far and wide. They
    have sought mainstream acceptance and they have managed to build
    relationships
    with people, who because of those relationships will not speak
    the truth
    against them, and so the thing flourishes like a wildfire. And of
    course it
    appeals to people because it demands nothing but faith; it doesn't
    demand
    holiness, it doesn't demand devotion or dedication, it only demands
    faith and
    it promises that if you have enough you'll get rich and
    healthy--that's a
    popular message.

    I suppose that we could say that virtually every false
    religion ever spawned
    by man worships a god whose function it is to deliver
    some kind of "cargo."
    That is, human religion invariably invents gods for
    utilitarian reasons.
    They invent gods that give them what they want. They
    invent deities to serve
    them rather than the other way around. The Word-Faith
    theology has turned
    Christianity into a system that is no different from the
    lowest human
    religions. It is a form of voodoo where God can be coerced,
    cajoled,
    manipulated, controlled, and exploited for the Christian's own ends.
    I received a mailing sent out by one rather extreme Word-Faith teacher named David Eppley (sp.). A brochure was included with a bar of prayer-blessed
    soap, quote,

    We are going to wash away all bad luck, sickness,
    misfortunes,
    and evil! Yes, even that evil person you want out of
    your
    life. Jesus helped a man wash blindness from his eyes; I want
    to help you concerning hexes, vexes, home problems, love,
    happiness, and joy. (the brochure said).

    Inside the brochure were
    testimonies from people who had been blessed by that
    ministry. "Door opens to
    new job!" said one. "An $80,000 dream comes true!"
    said another. "Couldn't
    use my hand for twelve years!" said another. Also
    inside was a personal
    letter from the pastor closing with a full page of
    instructions on how to use
    the soap. If you used it right it would bring you
    healing and money,

    Now, after you wash the poverty from your hands, take out the
    largest bill or check you have. That $100, $50, or $20 bill,
    hold
    it in your clean hands and say, "In Jesus' name I dedicate
    this gift to
    God's work and expect a miracle return of money."

    And of course, your
    largest bill or check must be sent to David Eppley (sp.).
    The last paragraph
    said,

    Through this gift of discernment, I see someone sending a $25
    offering and God is showing me a large check coming to them in
    the
    next short while I mean "large;" it looks like over $1,000!
    I know this
    sounds strange but you know me well enough to know
    that I have to obey
    God when He speaks. I'll be here waiting
    for your answer.

    Frankly,
    that sounds more like Black Magic. Certainly a more outrageous
    example than
    most, but still it reflects a style that is typical of nearly
    all Word-Faith
    ministries. If it was just plain hucksterism that would be
    bad enough. I
    guess I could tell you honestly, I could take Reverend Ike. I
    could take
    Reverend Ike because . . . (I don't know if you know who he is, but
    if you
    don't, don't worry about him)--but, I can take Reverend Ike because
    he uses
    the same gimmick, but he doesn't make it Christian! What corrupts so devastatingly is to tie this kind of con game into Christ!

    Word-Faith teachers
    have corrupted the heart of New Testament Christianity.
    They have moved the
    believers' focus off sound doctrine, worship, service,
    sacrifice, and
    ministry; and they have shifted it instead to promised
    physical, financial,
    and material blessings. Those blessings are the cargo
    that God is supposed to
    deliver to those who know and follow the Word-Faith
    formula.

    Word-Faith
    writings . . . and there are myriad of these things, you can't even
    keep up
    with them. I got a new one this week that somebody sent me to try to
    help me
    to see the truth. It's a thick book and it is all about all of these
    Word-
    Faith teachers. It has all their pictures on the front. There is
    almost no
    end to the proliferation of literature (many trees are dying in
    this operation
    to be used for pulp and paper). Word-Faith articles carry
    titles like, "How
    to Write Your Own Ticket with God," "Godliness is
    Profitable," "The Laws of
    Prosperity," "God's Creative Power Will Work for
    You," "Releasing the Ability
    of God Through Prayer," "God's Formula for
    Success and Prosperity," "God's
    Master Key to Prosperity," "Living in Divine
    Prosperity," and so it goes.

    In
    Word-Faith religion the believer uses God, whereas, the truth of Biblical Christianity is--God uses the believer! Word-Faith theology sees the Holy Spirit as a Power to be put to use for whatever the believer wants. The
    Bible
    teaches, however, that the Holy Spirit is a person who enables the
    believer to
    do whatever God wants. It is absolutely the opposite of
    Scripture. Many
    Word-Faith teachers claim that Jesus was "Born Again" so
    that we might become
    "little gods." Scripture, however, teaches that Jesus
    is God and it is we who
    must be born again.

    Frankly, I have little or no tolerance for these
    deceptions, these corruptions
    of Scriptures and false claims of the Word faith
    movement. I have absolutely
    no constraints on me to speak to this issue
    because I believe that I am
    literally bound by my obligation as one called to
    minister the truth of God
    to so speak, because this defies everything I
    understand to be true about
    Scripture.

    The movement [Word-Faith] closely
    resembles some of the destructive greed
    sects that ravaged the early church.
    Paul and other apostles were not
    accommodating to or conciliatory with the
    false teachers who propagated ideas
    like that in their day. They identified
    them as dangerous false teachers and
    urged Christians to avoid them. Paul
    warned Timothy, for example, about "Men
    of depraved mind and deprived of the
    truth, who suppose that godliness is a
    means of gain." This isn't anything
    new. Paul was dealing with those who
    thought godliness was a ticket for
    money. Paul further said to Timothy,

    But those who want to get rich
    fall into temptation and a snare
    and many foolish and harmful desires
    which plunge men into ruin
    and destruction. For the love of money is a
    root of all sorts
    of evil, and some by longing for it have wandered away
    from the
    faith, and pierced themselves with many a pang. But flee
    from
    these things. [1 Tim 6:9-11, NASB].

    These cults are generated,
    know this, out of a love for money! They develop
    a religion to accommodate
    their lusts. Jude wrote of the greed mongers of
    his day,

    Woe to them!
    For they have gone the way of Cain, and for pay
    they have rushed
    headlong into the error of Balaam, and perished
    in the rebellion of
    Korah. These men are those who are hidden
    reefs in your love-feasts
    when they feast with you without fear,
    caring for themselves; clouds
    without water, carried along by
    winds; autumn trees without fruit,
    doubly dead, uprooted; wild
    waves of the sea, casting up their own shame
    like foam;
    wandering stars, for whom the black darkness has been
    reserved
    forever . . . They are grumblers, finding fault, following
    after
    their own lusts; they speak arrogantly, flattering people for
    the sake of gaining an advantage. [Jude 11-13, 16 NASB].

    There is nothing
    that I could say that would be as strong as that, and that
    is out of God's
    Word. Peter wrote,

    But false prophets also arose among the people,
    just as there
    will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly
    introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who
    bought
    them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves. And
    many will follow
    their sensuality, and because of them the way
    of the truth will be
    maligned; and in their greed they will
    exploit you with false words. [2
    Pet 2:1-3, NASB].

    Peter went on to say,

    Their judgment from long ago
    is not idle, and their destruction
    is not asleep . . . For speaking out
    arrogant words of vanity
    they entice by fleshly desires, by sensuality,
    [that is, they
    entice you by the things you lust for], and they entice
    those
    who barely escape from the ones who live in error, promising
    them freedom while they themselves are slaves of corruption; for
    by
    what a man is overcome, by this he is enslaved. [2 Pet 2:3,
    18-19,
    NASB].

    You show me a person who preaches the "Money Gospel," the "Money
    Message,"
    the "Wealth Message," I'll show you a person who has been corrupted
    by the
    love of money; that's what Peter is saying. Paul said covetousness
    is
    idolatry and Paul forbade the Ephesians to be partakers with anyone who
    brought either a message of immorality or a message of covetousness (Eph. 5:5-7).

    Now the question is, "How closely do modern Word-Faith teachers
    resemble the
    greedy false teachers that the apostles described? Is it fair to
    write the
    movement off as heretical? As sub-Christian?" Well, I want us to
    look at
    that, and let's find out. In some ways I hesitate to label the Word-
    Faith
    movement as a cult only because its boundaries are, as yet, somewhat
    hazy.
    Many sincere Christians hover around the periphery of the Word-Faith
    teaching. It isn't a sort of a bordered, identifiable cult. It is somewhat amorphous and it floats in an almost undefined way and bumps in and out of
    all
    kinds of groups of Christians. And so while on the one hand we can't say
    that
    everybody that it touches is cultic, all of the elements within it are
    cultic:

    It has a distorted Christology that is a warped view of
    Christ.

    It has a distorted view of man, an exulted view of man.

    It has a theology built on human works.

    It has a process of
    sanctification that justifies greed.

    It has a belief that new
    revelation from within the group is unlocking
    secrets that have been
    hidden from the Church for years.

    It believes that extrabiblical human
    writings are inspired and
    authoritative.

    It has an exclusivity
    that compels its adherents to shun any and every
    criticism of the
    movement. In fact, as you know, Benny Hinn said if
    anybody criticizes
    him he wants, "to get a Holy Ghost machine gun and
    blow their head
    off!"

    Without some exacting corrections in the movement's doctrinal
    foundations it
    will become a clearly identifiable cult, if it is not already
    so. It
    certainly is the closest thing on earth to the greed cults of the
    New
    Testament era which the apostles bluntly labeled heresy. Now, I know that
    is
    a serious verdict, but I think there is ample evidence to bear it out.
    At
    almost every turn the Word-Faith movement has tainted, twisted, garbled, misunderstood, corrupted, or obliterated the crucial doctrines of Christian faith. Let me help you with that by looking at some of them.

    First of all,
    The Word-Faith movement has the wrong god! It has the wrong
    god. I believe
    that it is fair to say that the god of the Word-Faith
    movement is not the God
    of the Bible. Word-Faith teaching, in effect, listen
    to this, sets the
    individual believer (are you ready for this?) above God,
    and turns God into
    Santa Claus, or a genie, or a valet who is there to do
    whatever the Christian
    tells Him. See, these Word-Faith teachers are their
    own supreme authority.
    Kenneth Hagin, who is patriarchal in this movement,
    wrote this booklet
    called, "How To Write Your Own Ticket With God." He tells
    about seeing a
    vision of Jesus and he says to Him,

    Dear Lord, I have two sermons I
    preach concerning the woman who
    touched your clothes and was healed when
    you were on earth. I
    received both of these sermons by inspiration.

    I am quoting him. Later on he quotes what Jesus told him in reply, Jesus
    said,

    You are correct, My Spirit, the Holy Spirit, endeavored to get
    another sermon into your spirit but you failed to pick it up.
    While I am here I will do what you ask, I will give you that
    sermon
    outline. Now, get your pencil and paper and write it
    down.

    That's what
    Jesus said to him, he says. Hagin claims to have received
    numerous visions as
    well as eight personal visitations from Jesus. Hagin has
    written, "The Lord
    Himself taught me about prosperity. I never read about it
    in a book; I got it
    directly from heaven." That claim is a lie: outright,
    I'll show you why a
    little later. You see they believe or they want every
    body else to believe
    that God is giving this information to them. Do you
    understand beloved that
    if you do not have a closed Canon, and if Scripture
    did not end with the Book
    of Revelation, if you believe that God is still
    giving revelation--there is no
    way to stop the flood.

    Everybody is claiming God speaks to them.
    Fortunately, for the Word-Faith
    people, God is telling them exactly what they
    want Him to say. They have
    created God in the image that they want Him to be.
    For example, they have no
    concept of God as sovereign. Scripture says in
    Psalm 103:19, "The Lord has
    established His throne in the heavens; and His
    sovereignty rules over all."
    What that simply means is, God's in charge of
    everybody and everything. God
    is the blest and only sovereign, the King of
    Kings and Lord of Lords (1 Tim
    6:15), yet in the volumes of Word-Faith
    material that I have read, I have
    not found one reference to the sovereignty
    of God--not one! The reason is
    clear: they don't believe He is sovereign.

    Jesus, according to Word-Faith teaching, has no authority on earth: it is all delegated to the Church. Kenneth Hagin says this in his book entitled, "The Authority of the Believer," which, by the way, has long sections which were taken verbatim from other books written by other people: and he says that he got them from God; it is just not true. But he says that Jesus has no authority, He delegated it all to the Church; we are in charge of God and we are in charge of Jesus.

    Furthermore, Word-Faith theology teaches that God is
    bound by spiritual laws
    that govern health and prosperity. God is bound by
    some laws; by some
    principles. If we say the right words, or if we have the
    right faith, God is
    forced to respond however we determine. Robert Tilton
    claims that God has
    already committed to take His part in a covenant
    relationship with us. We
    can make whatever commitment or promise to Him we
    want, quote, says Tilton,

    Then we can tell God, on the authority of His
    Word, what we
    would like Him to do. That's right, you can actually tell
    God
    what you would like His part in the covenant to be.

    In the Word-
    Faith system God is not Lord of all: He can't work unless we
    release Him to
    work; He is dependent on human instruments; He is dependent on
    human faith;
    and above all, He has to act in response to human words to get
    His work done.
    Charles Capps (sp.) has written, "It is in your power to
    release the ability
    of God." In other words, "God is Stuck--until we speak
    His orders!" On the
    other hand, according to Charles Capps (sp.) "Fear
    activates the devil." If
    you succumb to fear, even doubting a little, he
    says,

    You've moved God
    out of it. You have stopped God's ability
    immediately. Maybe it was
    just about to come into
    manifestation, but now you have established
    Satan's word in the
    earth, "That it is not getting any better, it is
    getting worse."
    You have established his word.

    What he is saying is,
    "If you have fear, you release the devil to work; if
    you have faith, you
    release God to work. So if you are afraid of Satan, you
    have bottled God and
    set Satan loose," (My, you are a powerful person!).
    According to Charles
    Capps, in his book, "The Tongue--A Creative Force," God
    has turned over His
    sovereignty, including (listen to this) His creative
    authority, to people.
    Capps has written,

    In August of 1973 the Word of the Lord came unto me
    saying,
    [Just that is frightening. This is the Lord speaking to
    Charles
    Capps] "If men would believe me, long prayers are not
    necessary.
    Just speaking the Word will bring you what you desire. My
    creative power is given to man in word form. I have ceased, for
    a
    time, from My work and have given man the book of My creative
    power.
    For it to be effective man must speak it in faith Jesus
    spoke it when
    He was on earth and as it worked then, so it shall
    work now, but it must
    be spoken by the body. Man must rise up
    and have dominion over the
    power of evil by My words. It is my
    greatest desire that My people
    create a better life by the
    spoken word, for My word has not lost its
    power just because it
    has been spoken once. It is still equally as
    powerful today as
    when I said, 'Let there be light,' but for My word to
    be
    effective, man must speak it; and that creative power will come
    forth performing that which is spoken in faith."

    Simply saying, in other
    words what he is stating is this, "You have the
    ability (if you have enough
    faith) to create with your words. You want
    money? Create it with your faith
    filled words. You want healings? Create
    it with your faith filled words."
    It escapes my how one of these popular
    Word-Faith teachers could possibly be
    5 Million dollars in debt; can't he
    just speak it into existence? And then on
    the other hand, why pray at all if
    your words have so much creative force?
    Why pray? What's there to ask for?
    You really come up with a denial that
    you need to seek anything from God;
    after all, God has given the sovereignty
    to you, He's yielded up His creative
    power to you; it's not His word anymore,
    it was His word the first time, it
    is your word now. Speak it into existence,
    you don't need Him--you're
    sovereign.

    Another of their teachers, Norval Hayes
    (sp.), says it is better to talk to
    your checkbook, talk to your disease, or
    talk to whatever predicament you're
    in than to turn to God in prayer! I'm
    quoting,

    You aren't supposed to talk to Jesus about it; you're
    supposed
    to talk directly to the mountain in Jesus' Name (whatever the
    mountain is in your life). Stop talking to Jesus about it; stop
    talking to anybody else about it; speak to the mountain itself
    in
    Jesus' Name. Don't say, "Oh God, help me. Remove this
    sickness from
    me," say, "Flu, I'm not going to let you come into
    my body! Go from me
    in the name of Jesus! Nose, I tell you,
    stop running! Cough, I tell
    you to leave in Jesus' name!" Say,
    "Cancer, you can't kill me, I will
    never die of cancer in Jesus'
    name!" [I'm quoting him further] Do you
    have a financial
    mountain in your life? Start talking to your money.
    Tell your
    checkbook to line up with God's word. Talk to your
    business.
    Command customers to come into your business and spend
    their
    money there. Talk to the mountain.

    You laugh at this,
    and I understand that, but there are a lot of people who
    don't laugh at this--
    they are believing this. Norval Hayes (sp.) has several
    publications and one
    of them titled "Putting Your Angels To Work" which
    indicates that you are not
    only sovereign over this world but you are
    sovereign over the angelic world as
    well. Hayes also teaches that believers
    can exercise dominion over the
    angels, quote,

    Since angels are ministering spirits sent to minister to
    and for
    Christians [he reasons], we can learn how to put them into
    action on our behalf. We believers ought to be keeping those
    angelic creatures busy! We ought to have them working for us
    all
    of the time.

    And so I think it is fair to say that Word-Faith theology denies
    the
    sovereignty of God, removes the need to pray to God for any relief from
    burdens or needs and gives the Christian himself both dominion and creative power. In my judgment it is human pride at its ugliest. Worse, it is
    idolatry and the new idol is self, and God is dethroned. To follow this wrong-God concept a little further, the Word-Faith movement teaches that when you become a Christian you become part of a race of little gods. Kenneth Copeland has explicitly stated what many Word-Faith teachers more subtly
    imply. This is what Kenneth Copeland writes,

    He imparted in you, when
    you were born again . . .Peter said it
    just as plain, he said, "We are
    partakers of the divine nature."
    That nature is life eternal in absolute
    perfection, and that was
    imparted, injected into your spirit-man and you
    have that
    imparted into you by God just the same as you imparted into
    your
    child the nature of humanity. That child wasn't born a whale,
    he was born a human--isn't that true? Well now, you don't have
    a
    human do you? You are one. And you don't have a god in
    you--you are
    one!

    Copeland teaches that Adam was created in the god-class; that is, Adam
    was a
    reproduction of God! Listen to what he says,

    He was not
    subordinate to God--Adam was walking as a god! What
    he said "went,"
    what he did "counted"; and when he bowed his
    knee to Satan and put Satan
    up above him then there wasn't
    anything God could do about it because a
    "god" had placed Satan
    there. Adam, remember, was created in the god-
    class, but when
    he committed high treason he fell below the god-class.

    "On the cross," according to Copeland, "Jesus won the right for believers to
    be born again back into the god-class. Adam was created, not subordinate to God, but as a god; he lost it, and in Christ we are taken back to the god- class." In saying that, Copeland believes that Jesus, quote,

    Won
    healing, He won deliverance, He won financial prosperity,
    mental
    prosperity, physical prosperity, family prosperity. He
    said He would
    meet my needs according to His riches in glory by
    Christ Jesus, and I am
    walking around and saying, "Yes, my needs
    are met according to His
    riches in glory by Christ Jesus."
    Glory to God, I am coveting to the
    "need meter"; I am coveting
    to the I AM; Hallelujah! And I say this
    with all respect so
    that it don't upset you too bad, but I say it
    anyway; when I read
    in the Bible where He says "I AM" I just smile and
    say "Yes, I
    AM too!"

    That is so blasphemous that it ought to make every
    true child of God cringe,
    yet it is typical of Word-Faith teaching. For any
    human being to call
    himself the "I AM," "YAHWEH" the eternal saving, sovereign
    God, is blasphemy.
    In the face of criticism for some of his statements about
    the deity of the
    believer, Copeland appeared with Paul and Jan Crouch on
    Trinity Broadcasting
    Network's program "Praise the Lord!" and he was there to
    defend his teaching,
    and this is the following conversation that ensued,

    Paul Crouch said: God doesn't even draw a distinction between
    Himself and us.

    Kenneth Copeland said: Never, never, you never
    can do that in a
    covenant relationship.

    Paul Crouch: Do you know
    what else that has settled then
    tonight? This hue and cry and
    controversy that has been spawned
    by the devil to try and bring
    dissension within the Body of
    Christ that we are gods--I am a little
    god!

    Kenneth Copeland: Yes, yes!

    Jan Crouch: Absolutely, He gave
    us His name.

    Kenneth Copeland: The reason we are . . .

    Paul
    Crouch: I have His name! I am one with Him! I'm in
    covenant relations.
    I am a little god! Critics be gone!

    Kenneth Copeland: You are anything
    that He is.

    Paul Crouch: Yes!

    Paul Crouch, head and "On Air" host of
    Trinity Broadcasting Network and
    therefore one of the most powerful
    influential people in religious
    broadcasting today, has reaffirmed repeatedly
    his commitment to the "little
    gods" doctrine of Word-Faith, quoting him,

    That new creation that comes in the new birth, is created in
    His
    image. It is joined then with Jesus Christ. Is that
    correct? And so
    in that sense (I saw this many years ago)
    whatever that union is that
    unites Father, Son, and Holy Spirit,
    He says, "Father, I want them to be
    one with Me, even as You and
    I are one in Us," so apparently [that's]
    what He does: He opens
    up that union of the very Godhead and brings us
    into it.

    We become part of the Trinity in that view. Other Word-Faith
    teachers have
    reiterated the heresy. Charles Capps (sp.) writes,

    I
    have heard people say, "Those who confess God's Word and say
    the
    promises of God over and over are just trying to act like
    God." Yes!
    That's exactly what we are trying to do, act as God
    would in a similar
    situation. What did He do? He spoke the
    thing desired.

    Or O'Palk
    (sp.), another of them, wrote, "Until we comprehend that we are
    little gods
    and we begin to act like little gods, we cannot manifest the
    Kingdom of God."
    Robert Tilton also calls the believer, "A god kind of
    creature designed to be
    as a god in this world. Designed and created by God
    to be the god of this
    world." Other of their popular preachers, Maurice
    Serullo (sp.) had this
    televised conversation with Dwight Thompson, you see
    him on Channel 40
    frequently,

    Maurice Serullo (sp.): See when God created us in His image
    He
    didn't put any strings on us--did He? He didn't make us
    puppets.

    Dwight Thompson: No, not at all!

    Maurice
    Serullo: He didn't say, 'Maurice, raise your hand,
    raise your, you know,
    and then here we are. We have no
    absolute, no control over us.

    Dwight Thompson: No, no, no!

    Maurice Serullo: He made Dwight
    Thompson, he made Maurice
    Serullo a small miniature god. Of course!
    The Bible says that
    we are created in the image of God, His likeness.
    Where is that
    god-likeness? He gave us power. He gave us authority.
    He gave
    us dominion. He didn't tell us to act like a man, He told us
    to
    act like a god.

    Benny Hinn adds,

    The new creation is
    created after God in righteousness and true
    holiness. The new man is
    after God, like God, godlike, complete
    in Jesus Christ. The new
    creation is just like God. May I say
    it like this, "You are a little
    god on earth running around."

    And then Hinn responded to criticism of such
    teaching this way, he said,

    Now are you ready for some real revelation
    knowledge? Ok, now
    watch this! He laid aside His divine form so one
    day I would be
    clothed on earth with the divine form. Kenneth Hagin has
    a
    teaching; a lot of people have problems with it, yet it is
    absolute truth. Kenneth Copeland has a teaching, many
    Christians
    have put holes in it, but it is divine truth. Hagin
    and Copeland say,
    "You are god, you are gods." "Oh, I can't be
    God!" Hold it! Let's
    bring balance to this teaching. The
    balance is being taught by Hagin;
    it is those who repeat him
    that mess it up. The balance is being taught
    by Copeland, who
    is my dear friend, but it is those who repeat what he
    says that
    are messing it up. You see there brother, when Jesus was on
    earth, the Bible says that He first disrobed Himself of the
    divine
    form. He, the limitless God, became a man that we men
    may become as He
    is.

    You'll notice in this that they land on the verses that indicate that we
    enter in and participate in some of the things that are true about God. But they take it to the extreme where we become God. We do participate in the
    love of God, don't we? And in the righteousness of God, and enjoy the grace
    of God, but are not God. Hagin says,

    If we ever wake up and realize
    who we are we will start doing
    the work that we are supposed to do,
    because the Church hasn't
    realized yet that they are Christs, that's who
    they are. They
    are Christs.

    Now, we are not only God--we are Christ!
    Thus, have the Word-Faith teachers
    agreed to dispose God and to put us in His
    place. From that basic error flow
    all the fallacies. Why do they teach that
    health and prosperity are every
    Christian's divine right? Because, we're
    God--we deserve it! Right? If I
    am God I deserve prosperity. Why do they
    teach that a believer's words have
    creative and determinative force? Because
    in their system we're God, and God
    could speak things into creation, and we're
    God so we can speak them into
    creation. They have bought Satan's original
    lie. The serpent said to the
    woman, "You surely shall not die, for God knows
    that in the day you eat from
    this fruit, your eyes will be opened and you will
    be like God." That was a
    lie. Man will never be like God. We will be a
    glorified man--not God. The
    idea that man can be like God, is and always has
    been the satanic lie. It
    was the very lie . . . listen to this, [that]
    brought the devil himself down.
    He said, "I will be like God."

    Two proof
    texts are often used by the Word-Faith teachers to support their
    teaching. In
    Psalm (you need to listen to this, this is their case here), in
    Psalm 82:6 God
    says to the rulers of earth, "You are gods; and all of you are
    sons of the
    Most High." They quote that all of the time, Psalm 82:6, you
    might want to
    turn to it. And we will close with just a look at the two
    texts they use, and
    we are going to take it up next week. Psalm 82:6, God
    says to the rulers of
    earth, "You are 'gods'; and all of you are sons of the
    Most High." And so
    they say, "See, God says we are gods!"

    A simple reading of the Psalm
    however, says something very, very, different
    than that. If you look at the
    Psalm it will reveal to you that those words
    were spoken to ungodly rulers who
    were on the brink of judgment: ungodly
    rulers on the brink of judgment. Look
    at verse 7, (they never want to read
    verse 7), "Nevertheless, you will die
    like men; and fall like any one of the
    princes. Arise, O God, judge the
    earth." What is this? There is a note of
    irony. God looks at these rulers
    and they have been rendering unjust
    judgments. Back in verse 2 they have been
    judging unjustly; they have been
    showing partiality to the wicked. They have
    been, rather, doing injustice
    than justice and He says, "Look, in your own
    eyes you think you are gods, but
    you are going to die like . . ." what?
    "Men." How could you ever rip that
    6th verse out of that context and make it
    an affirmation that a Christian has
    become a god? Far from confirming their
    godhood, God is condemning them for
    thinking they were gods!

    Word-Faith
    teachers will immediately turn to their other favorite proof text,
    John
    10:33-34. Guess what? This is where Jesus quotes Psalm 82:6, so if you understand Psalm 82:6 you don't have a problem understanding John 10. "The Jews answered Him, 'For a good work we do not stone you, but for blasphemy because you being a man make yourself out to be God.'" And then Jesus
    answered them, "Has it not been written in your law, 'I said you are gods.'" Don't fail to notice Jesus' purpose for choosing that verse. It would have been a very familiar one to the Scribes and Pharisees. They would have understood that that verse was an condemnation of wicked rulers, and Jesus is simply echoing the irony of the original Psalm. Walter Martin wrote an excellent comment on this, He said, "Jesus mocks the people as if to say,
    'You
    all think you are gods yourselves. What's one more god among you?'"
    Oh, the
    irony. You are going to stone me for claiming to be God, you all are
    claiming
    the same thing. What's one more god? The sarcasm.

    Walter Martin says,
    "Irony is used to provoke us, not to inform us. It is
    not a basis for
    building a theology." Further he says, "It is also pertinent
    to an
    understanding of John 10 that we remember that Satan is called the
    "ruler of
    this world" by no less an authority than Jesus Christ, and Paul
    reinforces
    this by calling him the "god of this age." We can make a god out
    of anything:
    money, power, status, position, sex, patriotism, family, or as
    in Lucifer's
    case--an angel. We can be our own god; but to call something
    deity or to
    worship it, or to treat it as divine is quite another thing.
    Then it is being
    by nature and in essence deity. Jesus is not calling them
    "God" in the true
    sense; He is saying that you have made a god out of
    yourselves just like the
    people in Psalm 82 who felt the blast of God's
    judgment. God said to the
    rebellious Israelites in Isaiah 29:16, "You turn
    things around! Shall the
    potter be considered equal with the clay" (Isaiah
    29:16). Does the clay think
    it is equal to the potter?" According to the
    Word-Faith movement, what's the
    answer? "Yes, if not superior." They have
    the wrong god.

    Well, they have
    some other things that are wrong and I'll tell you what they
    are next Sunday
    night, and we will start with the fact that they have the
    wrong Jesus.

    Father, even as we talk about these things we are thrown almost into
    disbelief, not because we are not used to error but we are not used to error being received by people who say they belong to the truth. We are shocked
    that so many Christians who would affirm their belief in the truth will identify with the terrible heresies of this movement. We feel like
    evangelical Christianity has become absolutely undefinable, it is so
    amorphous
    that it has no boundaries. It is inexplicable. We almost feel
    like we have
    to pull out of the whole thing and start all over again. Lord,
    so many are
    confused, so many led astray. We just pray that somehow Your
    truth will reach
    them and that they will worship you as the sovereign God and
    not turn You into
    their valet, but fall on their face in your presence and
    plead for the
    privilege to suffer if need be for your sake, sickness, poverty,
    or death, if
    You so will. That like the Apostle Paul they would rejoice to
    suffer, they
    would be thankful for persecutions, distresses, deprivations, if
    it is your
    will because you are sovereign.

    Father, help us to know that we are at best
    men and no more. Men who have
    been touched with the transforming grace of
    Christ. Men in whom the Holy
    Spirit live, but we are men and no more,
    redeemed men and as men we must be
    humbled before God. We grieve Father, that
    You have been so dishonored, so
    humiliated that such a terrible reproach has
    come on your Holy Name from
    those who teach and believe such foolish things.
    And we ask that You would
    be exalted and bring a halt to this degrading
    teaching for the Savior's sake
    we ask. Amen.

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