• Selling Cryonics (was ICE

    From Joseph Albanese@RICKSBBS to All on Saturday, October 31, 2026 06:04:00
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    Subject: Selling Cryonics (was ICE DWARFS)
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    A Theoretical Understanding
    By
    H. Keith Henson
    and
    Arel Lucas

    The March '89 Cryonics carried Dave Kekich's article "A
    Practical Memorial." It was about Oz, Dave's friend who did not make
    it into suspension when he needed it--despite many qualities you would
    think predisposed him to consider cryonics. Not the least of these predispositions was having a close friend long active in cryonics. In
    the article, Dave focused on his sense of failure as a cryonics
    salesman in his effort to understand why Oz did not make suspension arrangements. The article has prompted us to spend some time in front
    of our word processors on another way to view the problem of "selling cryonics"-- in terms of the genetic origin of humans and the memetic
    origin of culture. In this discussion, there are deep connections to evolution, which itself is well rooted in our understanding of the
    physical world around us. Because of the need for background, we will
    wander a long way from the immediate problem of getting people to make
    cryonic suspension arrangements, but by the time we get back, you
    might have a deeper appreciation of the difficulties of "selling" the
    cryonics concept.

    Most readers of Cryonics understand that we arrived at our
    current physical structure (which includes everything--genes, jawbones
    and brains) through the process of evolution, that is through random
    variation and very non-random survival. About 4.5 million years ago
    our branch of the primate tree split from our nearest relatives the chimpanzees when the climate changed, and the shrinking forest left
    them "high and dry." (All this is current best guess, but there is a
    large collection of evidence.) An entire suite of physical and
    behavioral changes seems to have happened together.

    Chimpanzees today have behaviors, such as sharing meat, that
    our common ancestors are likely to have had. This tendency seems to
    have been elaborated by our male ancestors into a steady provisioning
    of the females and young by bringing food to them from the
    encroaching, but highly productive, protein-rich plains. (As opposed
    to the chimps' way of life where the females provide virtually all
    food for the young and the males guard the territory.) Incidentally,
    compared to forest, grasslands provide a *lot* of meat per square
    mile.

    It is likely our common ancestor could walk upright for a
    short distance since chimps can do it. Walking upright for ever
    further distances had an advantage because the males who could free
    their hands for carrying food in this changed situation were more
    successful in the number of children who carried their genes in the
    next generation. Of course this took place in social groups, so there
    was continual selection for: genes that made cooperative behavior
    more likely; genes to exploit others cooperation; and genes to resist
    being suckered. Computer evolution simulations (see Selfish Gene) of
    such situations lead to stable mixes of reproductive strategies
    similar to what are actually observed in human populations.

    As genes became more common which (through the process of embryogenesis) constructed males more and more likely to work (mostly
    in groups) to feed *their* mates and children, other traits became advantageous. Sequestered estrous (as opposed to the flamboyant
    chimpanzee event), continual sexual receptivity, and a tendency toward monogamy (and jealousy) all tend to genetically reward provisioning
    males. All of this culminated in the several- million-year old
    institution of the human family.&

    [footnote & An alternate scenario could be constructed, a sex-for-meat
    swap, starting with females who were somewhat receptive even when not
    in estrous. Same result.]

    The net effect of all these changes was to about double the reproductive rate of proto-humans compared to the chimpanzees. Our
    ancestors needed the high reproductive rate because the plains were *Dangerous* places (no trees to climb). A lot of them seem to have
    been eaten by leopards and the other large predators of the time.

    Some 2.5 million years ago we find the first evidence of
    worked stone. While even chimpanzees pass cultural knowledge, such as
    how to catch termites, from generation to generation, worked stone is
    the first surviving evidence that our ancestors started passing down
    the generations complex, non-genetic, behavior- influencing
    information. This information can be said to program high level
    "agents" in the mind which are invoked to do or make things. About
    the same time, the brain size of our forebears started to increase substantially over the chimpanzee's. Tool making and larger brains
    probably influenced each other in a positive feedback cycle.

    Those able to learn the more complex tasks from those around
    them must have had a significant survival advantage, in spite of the
    increased maternal and infant mortality from getting those larger
    brains delivered.

    As the *information* of how to chip rock and other such
    discoveries was passed on to larger numbers of the very people whose
    survival it enhanced, a new evolving entity, the "meme" or replicating information pattern became increasing significant.

    (footnote ref--first defined in The Selfish Gene by Richard
    Dawkins 1976)

    Genes are totally dependent on cells; complex memes are no
    less dependent on large human brains. Memes run the gamut from
    essential symbionts to dangerous parasites. They evolve, and, in
    particular, they have *co-evolved* with the human line. In the
    aggregate, they constitute culture. The memetic information passed
    down from generation to generation exceeded our genetic data some time
    ago.

    As human brains enlarged they improved in the ability to
    anticipate changes, making plans to hunt, to move with the seasons,
    and, later, to plant seeds for a future harvest. These and similar
    "smart" behaviors have obvious survival advantages, but they may have disadvantages as well. Alas, it seems that it is quite possible to be
    too smart for "the good of one's genes." A contemporary example is the statistical fact that highly intelligent people have significantly
    fewer children than the norm. For very different reasons, people of *subnormal* intelligence also have lower-than-average reproductive
    success.

    Many traits of populations that have a bell curve distribution
    are trimmed by some form of selection on both ends. If they were not,
    natural selection on individuals on one end of the curve would cause
    the population norm to drift until a new norm was reached where
    individuals far out from the norm in either direction suffered reduced reproductive success in about the same amounts.

    Being able to anticipate the future may not have been an
    unmixed blessing for early humans. Besides worrying about what to eat
    in the morning, and how to get through the night without being eaten,
    our ancestors could worry about existential angst, and ponder
    questions of the "Where Was I Before I Was Me?" and "What Happens
    After I Die?" kind. It may sound silly, but such questions, prompted
    by frequent deaths among those around you may have been a barrier for
    hundreds of thousands of years to the emergence of smarter people with enhanced ability to anticipate and plan for the future. It is not
    good for your genes to be dwelling on such questions while something
    large, furry, and not in the least concerned about angst, sneaks up
    and nips off your head!

    (footnote --at least if it does it before you have lots of
    kids, and have helped raise lots of grandkids. The recognition of
    this fact is reflected in the Chinese tradition that those who would
    attempt to understand the I Ching--a contemplative task bound to
    invoke troubling questions--are traditionally warned off doing so
    until they have completed the parental phase of life, and secured the
    future of their grandchildren.)

    We know that eventually smarter people did emerge, and came to dominate the world. This started about 200,000 years ago, roughly the
    same time that DNA studies indicate that one woman was the common
    ancestor of us all. Like chipped rock and larger brains emerging
    together, it is possible that some meme mutated out of more primitive
    ones, or arose from observations to form a "religious belief" that
    provided "answers" to such questions and had the effect of
    compensating for genes that otherwise would made us too smart for our
    own (genetic) good. Beliefs that could fit this description are known
    to go back to the very beginning of written history, and
    archaeological digs produce physical evidence (flower grave offerings)
    of such beliefs back at least 70,000 years. (The actual timing is not important to this argument, but objects believe to be "religious" in
    nature became common by about 35,000 years ago.)

    "Religious" memes compensating for too-smart-for-their-
    own-good brains is rank speculation, but Marvin Minsky argues that
    more complex brains are inherently less stable. It is true that our
    more remote relatives (such as cows) seem to have fewer mental
    problems, perhaps just because they have less "mental." His
    thought

    (footnote--- personal communication through Eric Drexler)

    is that certain "agents" built with patterns from outside
    could enhance the stability of a complex mind. He discussed a variety
    of mental "agents" in Society of Mind, reviewed in Cryonics some time
    ago. One class, censors, would be especially useful if kept someone's
    mind from spiraling down into a blue funk over unanswerable questions.
    Ideas that when a family member died he had gone to "the happy hunting grounds," and that you would see him again might make a big difference
    in the survival of grief- stricken relatives. Jane Goodall's report
    of a case where a chimpanzee seems to have died of grief gives this
    model some credibility. (The chimp was believed to have had an
    abnormally strong attachment to his mother.)

    This is very speculative, but "religious" memes could have
    "functions" such as reducing the effects of grief or answering
    philosophical questions about which it was (genetically) unprofitable
    to ponder. These memes would be favored in a causal loop if they
    improve the survival of people carrying genes which tend to destablize
    a person's mental state, but otherwise improve their survival.

    Such genes might (for example) contribute to intelligence, sensitivity, and forming strong emotional attachments. After a few
    millennia, religious memes and conditionally advantageous genes would
    become quite dependent on each other. In an environment saturated
    with religious memes, there would be little pressure for minds to
    evolve that could get by without stabilizing memes.

    In turn, the religious memes that originated long ago have had
    plenty of time to split into varieties, compete for hosts, and
    themselves evolve in response to a changing environment. (An
    occasional variation may kill its hosts, a la Jim Jones.) A lay
    observer looking for similarities over such a period might not
    recognize much common ritual. (Joseph Campbell devoted his life to discovering common threads in ritual.) Both modern and ancient
    religions seem to "fit" into similar places in the mind, and have the
    similar functions of providing "answers" to the unanswerable, and
    comfort to the grief stricken.

    The environment in those minds (mostly the result of other
    memes) has greatly changed as people accumulated more observations
    about the world around them and got better at manipulating it. There
    are known changes in the history of religion, such as the tendency for monotheistic religions (in the western cultural tradition) to replace polytheistic ones, and the well known tendency for religions (and
    similar belief patterns) to mutate into new and competing varieties.
    We can see some (the written part) of the accumulated variation. For
    example, the religion of the Old Testament is recognizably the
    ancestor of the more recent New Testament.

    Because humans learn from other adults as well as parents,
    religious beliefs that are "better suited" to infect human minds could
    spread, even (if it survived translation) across language boundaries.
    (Islam simply imposed Arabic on its converts.) In Europe during early historical times, we can see the displacement of older religions with Christianity. Within Christianity we can see in recent historical
    times competing varieties mutate from earlier versions (a classic
    example would be the Mormons) and within the US in the last decades we
    have seen the arrival of both new "religions" such as Scientology, and
    the repeated importation of eastern religions. (Almost all new and transplanted religions fail--we only see the ones which grow large
    enough to notice.)

    Because human minds usually hold only one religion at a time, religious memes are in "competition" for a limited number of human
    minds. This sets up the conditions for a powerful "evolutionary
    struggle" between religious memes. You should expect the memes which
    survive this process to resist being displaced, and to induce their
    hosts to propagate them.

    How (at long last!) does this relate to the difficulty of
    selling cryonics? We submit that the long term mental changes that
    happen to people who make cryonics arrangements have a lot in common
    with religious conversions.

    [footnote We doubt many realize it at the time. When we made
    arrangements with Alcor it was just the logical thing to do, given our understanding of nanotechnology. It was only with the threats to
    Alcor, and its patients, over the Dora Kent affair that made us
    realize how important cryonics had become to us.]

    Logically, cryonics should be considered a low tech way to reach high tech medicine, no more
    exciting than iron lungs, or pacemakers. Alcor, of course, is *not* a religion; it doesn't aspire even to be a cult. However, the mental
    "agents" the cryonics idea constructs in people's minds have the same
    "deflect or modify thoughts about death" effect as some of the mental
    agents most religious memes build. The cryonics memes seem to "fit"
    into the "mental space" in people that is often occupied by a
    religion. As a result people class it as one, or something closely
    related. Unfortunately, this is a hotly contested spot in the mind!
    Memes of this class usually include a submeme, "this is the only true
    belief, listen to no others."

    (Footnote. Douglas Hoffstadter and one of us (Arel) prefers to look
    at a meme as complex as a religion as "a scheme of memes," that is, evolutionary bound cooperating groups of memes similar to the way
    mutually advantageous genes are sometimes grouped on cronosomes.
    Dawkins discussed the mutual propagation of the God/Hellfire memes in
    the Selfish Gene.)

    Religious memes (including such beliefs as reincarnation)
    build lasting, often lifelong, agents in human minds. This part of
    human minds where these agents are located seems to be particularly
    resistant to change,

    [footnote As an aside, there actually seems to be a very small chunk
    of brain tissue that might be called a "religious stabilizing module."
    In rare cases where this area was destroyed, the victims could change
    what seemed to be deeply held religious beliefs several times a week!
    The reference to this is in The Social Brain by Michael Gazzaniga]

    perhaps because the "function" of
    these memes is not much related to the way "this world" operates.
    That is, one belief in this category is about as good for you (and
    your genes) as the next. If this is the case, switching holds little advantage, and the process of modifying anything close to this area
    may be dangerous to mental stability. Cryonics (if it works) is very
    much of an exception to the rule.

    On the other hand, the stability of religious beliefs may have
    little to do with human survival. It simply may be a characteristic
    of the surviving (and therefore observable) religious memes.

    The difficulty of changing from one religion to another, or
    adding cryonics to your meme set may be compounded by "censor agents"
    (as Minsky calls them) that keep deflecting your thoughts away from
    thinking about anything to do with death. As much as anything censor
    agents may lie at the root of the remarkable degree of procrastination
    that you often see in the cryonics signup process. (The complexity of
    the paperwork does not help either!)

    We wish we could use the memetic model to make specific
    suggestions which would allow us all to go out and sign up the world,
    or even to save our parents. We can't. The best we can do is suggest
    that since most of the mental environment in which the cryonic meme
    may take root is determined by other memes, getting the word out about
    related subjects may be critically important to the "selling" of
    cryonics. A person who knows about nanotechnology/cell repair
    machines is much more likely to be infectable by the cryonics meme.
    So are the people who hold the computer viewpoint of minds and brains.

    Another possibility is that our friends or relatives may
    eventually become more responsive. They are likely to be among that majority, "not the first by whom the new is tried, nor yet the last to
    lay the old aside." Frequent exposure to an idea lessens the
    outrageousness of it. Cryonics is, after all, becoming more
    respectable. Being dismissed by "most scientists" as the newspaper
    stories state is properly interpreted as being accepted by "some
    scientists." On the other hand, part of the fear factor about cryonics
    is the possibility that it would *work*, and you would be revived all
    alone in a future without friends. This may be a large part of the
    problem of signing up our parents. Though we may respect them, the
    world has changed so much over a single generation that it is hard to
    have much in common with them. (And for that matter, it is hard to
    have much in common with your children either!) Perhaps we should get
    our oldest signed up members (the ones I have met are *really* nice
    people) to travel about and talk to our parents.

    The memetic model gives some insight into the difficulty the
    idea of cryonics faces in a world of competing memes, but the picture
    is far from bleak. While cryonics has grown slowly, the growth rate
    has increased in the last few years. It would not surprise us for the
    cryonics "movement" to experience spectacular growth (Alcor has been
    growing at about 30% per year) over the next decade or two, especially
    if noticeable progress is made on our *real* goal, life extension
    which eventually eliminate the need for cryonic suspension.
    Joe,
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