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Note: The following is a 3 page excerpt from the paper entitled,
"UFOs, MJ-12 AND THE GOVERNMENT", which is co-authored by
researchers Grant Cameron and T. Scott Crain Jr. This brief
excerpt gives additional background information on Dr. Eric
Walker's professional activities during the last 60 yrs, along
with a short example of one of Dr. Walkers' initial responses
to correspondence from UFO researcher, William Steinman.

- Tom Mickus <<UFONET I>>

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Enter Dr. Eric A. Walker. Dr. Walker's name was deliberately
kept secret by a small group of investigators, the authors of this
paper included, in hopes that Dr. Walker would discuss his past
association with MJ-12, the research and development hierarchy they
directed, and the set of Top Secret meetings held at Wright Patterson
Air Force Base dealing with a recovered flying saucer.

Researcher Stanton Friedman in speaking of Dr. Walker stated
"he has all the credentials" and Dr. Walker's credentials are indeed
impressive. Born in England in 1910, he received his B.S. degree in
Engineering in 1932, his M.B.A. degree in 1933 and D.Sc. degree in
1935, all from Harvard University in Cambridge, Massachusetts.

Dr. Walker taught mathematics and electrical engineering, and
for two years was chairman of the department of electrical engineering
at Tufts College. He then joined the University of Conneticut where
he taught electrical engineering and established courses for a special
war training program.

Once the U.S.A. had entered WWII, Dr. Walker joined the Under-
water Sound Laboratory at Harvard University. He was promoted to
assistant director, and then associate director, where he was in
charge of ordnance weapons. Dr. Walker had studied the industrial
use of acoustics. These studies were applied to the homing torpedo,
which was successfully used against the German submarines. For his
work Dr. Walker was awarded the Naval Ordnance Development Award, and
also a Presidential Certificate of Merit.

In 1944 Dr. Walker was a civilian with the Office of Scientific
Research and Development. In 1945 Dr. Walker was persuaded by the
Dean of Engineering at Penn State University to accept at Penn State,
the position of head of the department of electrical engineering. In
addition, the ordnance section of the Harvard Underwater Sound
Laboratory was transferred to Penn State, and became the Ordnance
Research Laboratory with Dr. Walker as director.

This move involved moving most of the staff (200) and their
families, building a laboratory building and family housing.

In 1951 Dr. Walker became Dean of Engineering and Architecture
where he directed the construction of a research reactor on the
campus. In 1956 Dr. Milton Eisenhower, then the President of Penn
State, named Dr. Walker as Vice-President. Part of Dr. Walker's job
would be to coordinate and stimulate research on the Penn State campus.

Dr. Walker's term as Vice-President would actually be minus
two days as he became President before Vice-President because of
the resignation of Dr. Eisenhower who moved to John Hopkins University.

In addition to his earned degrees, Dr. Walker has honorary
degrees from Temple, Lehigh, Hofstra, Lafayette College, University
of Pennsylvannia, University of Rhode Island, Elizabethtown College,
Jefferson Medical College, Wayne State University, Thiel College,
University of Notre Dame, and the University of Pittsburgh.

Dr. Eric Walker wrote two prize papers for the AIEE, and
was inventor of the coliolithophone which is a device for the
acoustical detection of gallstones.

Dr. Walker's awards include the Navy Distinguished Public
Service Awared; American Legion Distinguished Service Award; Fellow,
Institute of Radio Engineers; Benjamin Franklin Fellow; Fellow,
American Institute of Electrical Engineers; Fellow, Royal Society
of Arts (London); Fellow, American Physical Society; Fellow, American
Acoustical Society; Horatio Alger Award; Tasker H. Bliss Award of the
American Society of Military Engineers, Golden Omega Award of the
Electrical Insulation Industry; Lamme Award and honorary member from
the American Society for Electrical Education; the White House
Citation from President Nixon; and Department of Defense Distinguished
Public Service Medal.

Dr. Walker's professional activities include: member of the
Army's Scientific Advisory Panel, member and chairman of the Naval
Research Advisory Committee, Vice-Chairman of the President's
Committee for Scientists and Engineers, member and former Chairman
of the National Research Council's Committee on Undersea Warfare,
Executive Secretary of the former Research and Development Board,
Chairman of the National Science Foundation's Committee for
Engineering; Chairman, Engineering College Research Council;
President, Engineers Joint Council; appointed in 1957 by President
Dwight Eisenhower as General Chairman of the Conference on Technical
and Distribution Research for the Benefit of Small Business; member
of the board of visitors, Naval Academy; member of the board of
visitors, U.S. Military Academy; trustee for the Institute for
Defense Analysis starting in 1958; elected to the chairman of the
board at IDA in 1981, retiring in 1986 to become Chairman Emeritus;
President Pennsylvania Association of Colleges and Universities;
member, Advisory Committee on Higher Education; member, Commission
on Higher Education of the Middle States Association of Colleges
and Schools: Vice-President and President of the American Society
for Engineering Education, Chairman National Science Board of The
National Science Foundation.

Dr. Walker was one of the founding members of the National
Academy of Engineering. He served as Vice-President and President.
He was a member of the Board of the Engineering Foundation; member
of the board of trustees, Science Service; President, Commonwealth
Industrial Research Corp; Board of Directors, Mid-State Bank and
Trust Company; Board of Directors, Girard Trust Company; Board of
Directors, Westinghouse Air Brake Co.; Chairman, Board of Directors,
Melpar, Inc.; consultant on research and engineering to Koppers Corp.,
Borg-Warner, Bendix Aviation, Hughes Aircraft, IBM, and others.

Dr. Walker initiated the Conference on The Administration of
Research in 1947. He has published numerous articles in various
periodicals and co-authored a book entitled "The Physical Bases of
Electrical Engineering". Dr. Walker wrote a column for "The Center
Daily Times" in the early 70's. Dr. Walker directed a nation wide
study for the ASEE on the "Goals of Engineering Education."

Dr. Walker's first reference to UFOs came in a speech he
made in 1969 at the Franklin Lectures (Approaching the Benign
Enviroment, Eric A. Walker, Franklin Lectures in the Science and
Humanities, First series, @1970 lectures April 1969 at Auburn U.)


"We will soon spend millions to probe the
atmosphere of Venus and Mars, while here
on earth it remains polluted with dust and
heat with which we cannot cope. Indeed it
may be a good thing that ships from another
planet are not sampling our atmosphere - the
conclusion might be that life cannot possibly
exist on earth."


Researcher William Steinman was not given Walker's phone
number by researcher Stanton Friedman, so his first attempt to
contact Dr. Walker came in the form of a letter, dated March 19,
1984. He got a response, but not what he expected. Steinman
explained how Dr. Walker responded in a letter to Grant Cameron,
dated September 8, 1987.

Steinman writes:

"The answer to my correspondence was very strange;
it stated "STOP! DON'T TRY TO FIND ME I CAME ON
THAT MACHINE I WILL LEAVE MAY 15 ERGOT QUIET QUIET
QUIET." The above was typed on the lower portion
of my letter that I sent to Walker, as evidence by
my signature and "very sincerely yours." My return
address was cut from the upper portion of my own
letter to Dr. Walker and was taped to the front of
his stamped envelope to me!"


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Note: The following is a transcript of a phone conversation between
Tom Mickus and Dr. Eric Walker which took place at approximately
10:30am on the morning of August 11, 1989. One word of caution,
a transcript of course is not the same as hearing it first-hand.
Tone and emphases of speech are not reproduced here, nor are
things such as pauses between responses recorded. Therefore
those who read the following should be aware of such deficiencies
before coming to any conclusions.
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<SECRETARY> "Good morning, Dr. Walker's office."

<MICKUS> "Yes, would Dr. Walker be in?"

<SECRETARY> "Yes he is, may I tell him who's calling?"

<MICKUS> "Yes, this is Tom Mickus phoning, I called yesterday."

<SECRETARY> "Tom Mickus?"

<MICKUS> "Yes."

<SECRETARY> "Okay, and what company are you with please?"

<MICKUS> "Actually I'm a university student."

<SECRETARY> "Okay, just a minute please."

<MICKUS> "Thank you."

(20 second pause)

<WALKER> "Hello?"

<MICKUS> "Hello, Mr. Walker?"

<WALKER> "Yep."

<MICKUS> "Yeah, my name is, allow me to introduce myself, my name is
Tom Mickus, I'm a university student here in Toronto, at the
University of Toronto.

<WALKER> "Yep."

<MICKUS> "And I'm phoning from Toronto right now. I'm also a reporter
with a computer BBS network. And just recently, actually two
days ago, we came into possession of a just released
research paper. It was put out by researchers Grant Cameron
and T. Scott Crain. You may be familiar with them? The
subject matter is quite controversial. The report itself is
180 pages and approximately 80 pages deal with yourself and
some of the reputed statements that you've made, etc. And
I'm just wondering if you'd be interested in making a comment
about the veracity of some of those statements.

<WALKER> "I'm not sure I know what you're talking about."

<MICKUS> "Okay, well..."

<WALKER> "Tell me a little bit more."

<MICKUS> "Yeah, do you remember corresponding with someone by the
name of William Steinman?"

<WALKER> "No."

<MICKUS> "...from California."

<WALKER> "No."

<MICKUS> "Or Scott Crain, he supposedly lives close to you there in
Pennsylvania?"

<WALKER> "You know, I know nothing about this. I'm... Have you got
the right Walker, that's the problem <slight laugh>.

<MICKUS> "Well, you're the former President of Penn State University?"

<WALKER> "That's correct."

<MICKUS> "Yes, and you do have a very distinguished background I might
say, just from some of the material thats been released. So, I
guess assuming this is the right Walker, apparently you've
admitted to in the past when dealing with some of these
gentlemen, if you maybe forget them (now), about attending
Research & Development Board meetings in the early 50's,
back when you were a dollar-a-year man. Is that substantially
correct?

<WALKER> "Well I, huh <slight laugh>, the early 50's you know is many
years ago and I attended a lot of meetings. Which one was
this supposed to be?

<MICKUS> "I believe this was centered at the Wright-Patterson.
Apparently it was to deal with, sensational as it is, crashed
flying vehicles of some sort, UFOs if you want to say that.
And, like I say, I know its many years ago, but apparently
in a phone conversation with William Steinman, he has it down
that you admitted attending some of those meetings. Indeed,
it was the late Robert Sarbacher actually pointed you out as
the person who attended all of those meetings. Now I know
that's some 40 yrs ago now. Did you have any comment on that?

<WALKER> "(garbled)...well I did attend a lot of meetings, but I can't
remember any substantive conclusions or anything like that.

<MICKUS> "Right, and as far as what was discussed there?"

<WALKER> "As far as the what?"

<MICKUS> "What was discussed, the topic, the subject matter of those
meetings?"

<WALKER> "No, I couldn't remember that at all."

<MICKUS> "But, you're saying that it had nothing to do with UFOs or
alien bodies, or anything like this?"

<WALKER> "Well I don't have any alien bodies in my office, I can tell
you that."

<MICKUS> "Well, its quite extraordinary that this paper has come out,
right now its in limited circulation and due to the computer
network that I'm associated with, I've managed to obtain a
copy. And, like I say, approximately 80 pages deals with
material centered around yourself..."

<WALKER> "Hmm."

<MICKUS> "...and, I'm just interested if you'd be interested in seeing
some of this, if I could come down and meet you for instance?
And you could see some of this stuff first-hand, and comment
on it."

<WALKER> "Well, I don't think that would be very useful; you might
want to send it to me, and I'll see if it reminds me of
anything."

<MICKUS> "Un huh. I guess being, ..from my own disposition here with
the Network and stuff, I'd be interested in trying to get a
reaction about some of this because..if these authors have
engaged in a bit of a fantasy, well then I would like to
expose that."

<WALKER> "What's the Network, I don't understand."

<MICKUS> "Its a fairly modest undertaking, but its a group of Bulletin
Board Systems linked up here in Canada and in the United
States, and that's something which I run, and this subject
matter is one of the things we primarily discuss. And so,
that's why I'd take the time to talk with you, and come visit
you if you wouldn't mind, and get a more in-depth response.

<WALKER> "Well, you know <slight laugh>, this sounds to me like an
awful waste of time and...if people want to diddle around
that way, I say let them diddle, but don't involve me."

<MICKUS> "Right..."

<WALKER> "I just don't have time for such crap."

<MICKUS> "Now, just the fact that they spent so much time in this
paper...like I say, the paper is 180 pages, the title is
'UFOs, MJ-12 AND THE GOVERNMENT', and...I mean would you
have any reaction as to why they would place you in that
context?"

<WALKER> "Well I'll tell ya, I'll get interested when I see one of
of those little green men they talk about. Until they do,
I just couldn't spend any time on it."

<MICKUS> "So, therefore you deny ever having any relationship whatsoever
in your earlier government dealings with the discussion of UFOs
or alien bodies, anything like that, you deny that was part of
the Research & Development Board meetings and subsequent
activities that you may have been involved with?"

<WALKER> "<slight laugh> You know, you're just wasting your time and
money, and I'm sorry but I've got other things to do."

<MICKUS> "Okay, but if I could just get an on the record comment,
response from you on that, because I don't know, I think you
may be hearing more about this because if this thing gets
in wide circulation you may have other people knocking on
your door trying to get a reaction."

<WALKER> "I don't have any reaction, I'm sorry."

<MICKUS> "Do you deny it?"

<WALKER> "Thank you."

<MICKUS> "Mr. Walker..."


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Note: The following article is to appear in this
month's issue of the CUFORN Bulletin.
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In last month's _Bulletin_, Larry Fenwick
brought out some tantalizing details involving the
possible involvement of Dr. Eric Walker with the
study and analysis of a crashed UFO, with probable
alien occupants, during the early 1950's. Since
that article was published, more information has
come to light, particulary with the long awaited
publication of researcher's Grant Cameron and T.
Scott Crain Jr.'s "Preliminary Report Of The
Government's Involvement Into UFO Crash Retrievals"
entitled, "UFOs, MJ-12 AND THE GOVERNMENT". This
research paper is now in limited circulation amongst
a handful of interested parties. I'm grateful that
the UFONET BBS Network was also sent a copy. I
have read it, and what follows is in part, both an
assessment, and a recap of some of the highlights.
Soon the paper will be ready for public distribution,
so it won't be long before you can read and assess
it for yourself.

Dr. Eric Walker has an impressive background,
and one which would make even Stanton Friedman envious
of. He's listed in certain "Who's Who" type compendiums,
so a quick visit to the Library might be in order for
those of you wishing to see a chronological listing of
this man's accomplishments. Credit for "discovering"
him goes to Bill Steinman, co-author of "UFO Crash At
Aztec". It was in a phone conversation with the late
Dr. Robert Sarbacher (of Wilbur Smith memo fame), that
Steinman got the break he needed in order to crack the
identity of another one of those scientists who attended
the Research & Development Board meeetings in the early '50s,
within the time frame of the much hypothesized UFO
crash/retrievals which were said to have occurred back then.

Sarbacher, not remembering the name, alluded to
a prominent individual from Pennsylvannia who, unlike
himself, attended all of the Research and Development
Board meetings held at Wright Field. Shortly thereafter,
in response to an inquiry by Steinman, he received a
letter from Fred Darwin, Executive Director of the Guided
Missile Committee for the Dept. of Defense's Research &
Development Board from 1949 to 1954. In the letter, six
names were listed as possible candidates for a "hypothesized"
Flying Saucer recovery operation. The list was composed in
early 1984, before the release of the controversial MJ-12
documents. Five of the names matched names on the yet to
be released MJ-12 listing. One name didn't, that of Eric
Arthur Walker...the person who most definitely fit the
description given by Sarbacher. Later research revealed
that Walker was at one time the Executive Secretary for
the Research and Development Board during the time in question.

Along with other influential positions held by
Walker, one of the most prominent, and secretive, concerns
his relationship with the "Institute for Defense Analysis",
of which Paul Dickson, author of "Think Tanks" had this to
say, "In the hierarchy of military tanks, none ranks higher
than the Institute for Defense Analysis (IDA)." Walker
joined in 1958, and never looked back. He was elected
chairman to the IDA in 1981, and became Chairman Emeritus
in 1986, upon his official retirement. So, what is most
problematic when it comes to trying to get Walker to talk,
is that not only is this man privy to UFO secrets, but
countless military secrets as well, which in this instance
are no doubt viewed as one and the same.

However, Walker is most vunerable when it comes to
his involvement in the early '50s, before the "security lid"
started to clamp down on this subject. From the Cameron/Crain
research paper, we learn little of what Walker's possible UFO
related activities were in the period after this, although
there is speculation. From their research, it is clear
that if Walker were to be involved in the aftermath of a UFO
crash, and possible U.S. government study thereof, he was in
the right places at the right times. Along with this, there
is the body of material, consisting of phone conversations and
letter exchanges, between Walker and certain UFO researchers,
the primary one being of course Steinman.

Most damning, are Walker's admissions to Steinman (in a
phone conversation written down 10 minutes after the call) that
he knew of MJ-12. Says Walker, "Yes, I know of MJ-12. I have
known of them for 40 years. I believe that you're chasing after
and fighting with windmills!!". Along with this, its become
apparent that Walker is engaged in playing a most peculiar
"game" of some sort. One letter of Steinman's was returned
by Walker with this statement type-written at the end of his
letter, "STOP!DON'T TRY TO FIND ME I CAME ON THAT MACHINE I
WILL LEAVE MAY 15 ERGOT QUIET QUIET QUIET". Another letter
was returned with numerals inscribed on top of various letters
throughout. This is the so-called "code letter". Another
piece of documentary evidence, is the type-written letter by
Walker to Steinman, signed by Walker, describing how 4 alien bodies
were recovered, alive, from a downed UFO. However, this is so
sensationally written that
researchers Cameron and Crain have labelled this as a poor
attempt at disinformation...or perhaps a continuation of Walker's
"game" with the researchers.

However, in the past year or so, Walker seems to have
have taken a new tact. Over the phone, he now denies _ever
even knowing who Steinman is_. This occured in a Dec/88 call
to Walker by Steinman. Walker had evidently clammed up, and
was now even trying to deny ever having dealt with Steinman,
let alone the allegations relating to his UFO involvement. Something
indeed strange is going on. Most recently, I learned that a
photo-copy of the original "code letter" was mailed to researcher
Scott Crain in a SASE Crain provided in a much earlier letter
sent to Walker. Evidently, the "game" has resumed.

Crain received this in late August, after I had spoken
with Walker himself in a phone conversation on August 11th.
Although cordial throughout, Walker lived up to his billing as
both evasive in answering questions, and one who it seems,
experiences convenient memory loss. Witness the following
exchange, which took place mid-way through our phone conversation:


<WALKER> "(garbled)...well I did attend a lot of meetings,
but I can't remember any substantive conclusions
or anything like that."

<MICKUS> "Right, and as far as what was discussed there?"

<WALKER> "As far as the what?"

<MICKUS> "What was discussed, the topic, the subject matter
of those meetings?"

<WALKER> "No, I couldn't remember that at all."

<MICKUS> "But, you're saying that it had nothing to with
UFOs or alien bodies, or anything like this?"

<WALKER> "Well I don't have any alien bodies in my office,
I can tell you that."


In his own limited conversations with Walker back in 1984,
Stanton Friedman referred to Walker as "cagey and careful", and
stated that "My reaction to how he answered the various questions
was that he knew a great deal". Five years later, I concur.

Currently underway, researchers Cameron and Crain are
trying to enlist the aid of several media outlets, including some
within Pennsylvannia itself. Sadly, and not surprisingly, in the
hands of the media, their report is going nowhere fast. At this
point, most promising in this regard, is the involvement of a slick
on-campus magazine, who currently are sitting on this story, and
if all goes according to plan, will confront Walker in the next
couple of weeks. Both UFONET, and CUFORN will be following all
the developments as they occur, and will be updating this in the
next issue of the _CUFORN Bulletin_.

So far, I've only touched on a few of the facts, made
clear in the Cameron/Crain report. However, I would be amiss
if I didn't mention that their report covers more than just
the story of Eric Walker, which takes up about 80 pp. There
are also interesting pieces of information, also related to
Walker, describing the U.S. military/intelligence complex.
And along with information on DARPA, the Jason Group, and
other such institutions, there are tidbits of information,
much of it documented, regarding a whole bevy of UFOlogy figures.
Included, are Wilbur Smith, Bill Moore, Richard Doty, Linda Howe,
Stanton Friedman, Todd Zechel, Lee Graham, Bill Cooper, and
several others. If any criticism can be made of the report,
and their are a few, its that it was too wide in its
scope, and as a consequence, particular sections didn't get
dealt with adequately. Thus, the enormity of the task, coupled
with the constant influx of new information, were in large
measure responsible for the delay in having this paper published.
As I alluded to earlier, this paper will be made publicly
available soon. If you're at all interested in the subject,
you'll want to read it for yourself. Its one more contribution
to the amassing body of evidence, that the U.S. government is
indeed covering up its knowledge and activities with regard to
the subject of UFOs.




Tom Mickus, 24, is currently attending the University of Toronto.
In addition to this, he also is Moderator of a UFO oriented
computer Bulletin Board Service (BBS) Network, entitled UFONET.
Unlike Paranet, which I am no longer affiliated with, we are a
100% UFO subject related network. We have affiliates in both
Canada and the U.S. For more information, you can phone Tom
at 416/239-1094, or connect directly with UFONET via your computer
and modem by calling 416/237-1204. You may also write him at:

Tom A. Mickus
UFONET BBS Network
Box 388, Station W
Toronto, Ontario, CANADA
M6M 5C1



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