• UFO's. Alien or Man Made

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    UFO's. Alien or Man Made
    By
    Al Pinto


    First, I would like to introduce myself. I am not an airplane
    pilot. I am not an astronaut, physicist, scientist, pscychologist,
    or any other so called "accepted" authority on UFO's. I am however
    an ex-Navy Petty Officer with a good amount of observation
    experience. I am also someone who is very interested in the
    phenomenon. I have researched this subject for quite a while
    now, because of what it might mean to us if the "truth" leaked
    out. Let me tell you that there is a lot more to UFO's than you
    may think.

    The governments of the world have been covering up everything
    that has to do with UFO's. Why? It may be they feel that the sheer
    thought of an "alien" culture infiltrating our world would cause
    mass hysteria.

    When I was a teenager living in North Bergen, NJ (a town across
    the Hudson River, directly across from NYC) hundreds of people saw
    what appeared to be a flying disk land in what was then called
    Hudson County Park (now named Braddock Park after James J.
    Braddock, the boxer). It was said to have blown out windows in a
    high rise named the "Stonehenge". The only thing ever heard about
    it was a small blurb in the local newspaper called the Dispatch.

    I have been interested in the phenomenon ever since. The
    authorities must have had one hell of a time suppressing that
    sighting but, apparently were very succesful. Again I ask, why?

    Maybe these craft are some secret government project. There is
    a lot of evidence indicating this which dates back to WWII. There
    is a report by Marshall Yarrow, then the Reuters special
    correspondant to Supreme H.Q. in liberated Paris. This article was
    published in the South Wales Argus on December 13, 1944. It
    stated,

    "The Germans have produced a 'secret' weapon in keeping
    with the Christmas season. The new device, which is
    apparently an air defense weapon, and resembles the glass
    balls that adorn Christmas trees. They have been seen
    hanging in the air over German territory,sometimes
    singly, sometimes in clusters. They are colored silver
    and are appaently transparent."

    Another article regarding the German's secret craft was released
    by the Associated Press in the New York Herald Tribune dated
    January 2, 1945. It said:





    "Now, it seems, the Nazis have thrown something new into
    the night skies over Germany. It is the weird, mysterious
    'Foo Fighter' balls which race alongside the wings of
    fighters flying intruder missions over Germany.

    Pilots have been encountering this eerie eapon for more
    than a month in their night flights. No one apparently
    knows what this sky weapon is. The balls of fire appear
    suddenly and accompany the planes for miles. They seem to
    be radio controlled from the ground, so official
    intelligence reports reveal..."

    I recently read a paper by Dr. Renato Vesco in which he claims
    that the "Foo Fighter" actually existed. It was originally called
    the "Feurball" and that it was first built at an aeronautical
    establishment in Weiner Neustatt, with the help of the Flugfunk
    Forschungsanstalt of Oberpfaffenhoffen (FFO). According to Vesco,
    the craft was a flat, circular flying machine, powered by a
    special turbojet engine, which was used by the Germans during the
    end of the war.

    Vesco also claims that the basic principles of the "Feurball"
    were later applied to a much larger craft called the "Kugelblitz"
    or Ball Lightning Fighter. This craft, which was rummored to be a
    revolutionary kind of supersonic aircraft - was sucesfully
    conducted over the underground complex of Kahla, in Thuringia,
    sometime during February of 1945.

    By 1975, Luftfhardt International was stating that a WWII
    Flugkapitan Rudolph Schriever had died and found among his papers
    were the incomplete notes for a large flying saucer, a series of
    rough sketches of the machine, and several newspaper clippings of
    himself and his alleged flying saucer. Luftfahrt also pointed out
    that Schriever, up until his death, had been convinced that the
    UFO sightings since the end of the war were proof that his
    original ideas had been taken further with succesful results.

    Again I wonder. Is there something more to this? Where did
    this technology go?

    In May of 1978, at Stand 111 in a scientific exhibition in the
    Hanover Messe Hall, some people were giving out a paper entitled
    the "Brisant". The paper contained two seemingly unrelated
    articles:

    1. The scientific future of the Antartic.
    2. Germany's WWII flying saucers The flying saucer spoke
    of the information I alredy had presented to you. The
    article also included detailed drawings of a typical WWII
    flying disk, did not mention the designer's name, and
    claimed that the drawing was altered by the West German
    gov't to render it "safe" for publication.

    According to the article, at the end of the war, some of the
    patents for this craft disapeared into secret Russian, American,
    and British files. The remainder of the files and most likely,
    the most important ones, went with the "missing" German scientists
    and S.S. men. By 1956, Captain Ed Ruppelt, then head of the
    U.S.A.F.'s Project Blue Book, wrote,

    "When WWII ended, the Germans had several radical types of




    aircraft and guided missles under development. The
    majority of these were in the most preliminary states,
    but they were the only known craft that could even
    approach the performances of the objects reported by UFO
    observers."

    The article also states that in 1938, Hitler, anxious for a
    foothold in the Antartic, sent an expediition commanded by Captain
    Alfred Richter to the coast due south of South Africa. Two
    seaplanes were launched from the deck of the carrier,
    Schwabenland, daily for three weeks. They had orders to fly back
    and forth across the territory which Norwegian explorers had named
    Queen Maud Land. The Germans had then made a far more thorough
    study of these region, finding vast areas that were free of ice.

    They renamed the area "Neuschwabenland" and claimed it as part
    of the Third Reich. German ships and U-boats continued to operate
    in the South Atlantic Ocean, particularly between South Africa and
    the Antartic, throughout WWII. Then, in March 1945, just before
    the end of the war, two German U-boats, U-530 and U-977, left from
    a port on the Baltic Sea.

    Alegedly, they took with them members of the flying saucer
    research teams, the last of the most vital saucer components, the
    notes and drawings for the saucer, and the designs for gigantic
    underground complexes and living accomodations based on the
    underground factories of Nordhausen in the Harz mountains.

    The U-boats allegedly unloaded all of this in Antartica. Then,
    two months after the war, they mysteriously surfaced off the coast
    of Argentina where the crews were handed over to the American
    authorities, who interrogated them at length and then flew them
    all back to the United States and questioned the Captains of both
    U-boats for almost a year.

    About a year after their capture, the United States launched
    the biggest operation ever known regarding the Antartic. The
    purpose was to

    "circumnavigate the 16,000 mile continent and map it
    thoroughly.."

    "Brisant" felt it odd that Operation Highjump, as it was
    called, under the command of Adm. Richard E. Byrd, included 13
    ships, 2 seaplane tenders, an aircraft carrier, 6 two engine R4D
    transports, 6 Martin PBM flying boats, 6 helicopters and a
    staggering 4000 men. That expedition became somewhat of a mystery.

    It docked near the German claimed Neuschwabenland and split up
    into three separate task forces. Some reports claim that the
    mission was an enormous success. Other, mainly foreign, reports
    say that it was a complete disaster: that many of Byrd's men were
    lost on the first day, that at least four of his airplanes had
    disappeared, and that while the expedition had gone provisioned
    for 6 to 8 months, they had returned only after a few weeks.

    According to "Brisant" Admiral Byrd told a reporter that it was

    "necessary for the USA to take defensive actions aginst
    enemy air fighters which come from the polar regions"

    and that in case of a new war the USA would be





    "attacked by fighters that are able to fly from one pole
    to the other with incredible speed."

    Admiral Byrd was then ordered to undergo a secret cross
    examination and the US withdrew from the Antartic for almost a
    decade.

    Yes, I have to ask again. Why are the governments of Earth
    covering up on this UFO phenomenon? It may be because they have no
    choice right now. They are up against a much more technologically
    advanced society that might very well be a product of the Nazi's
    and they can't do a thing about it.

    It then becomes more apparent why they do not want us to know.
    The masses would not only panic but would quite probably go
    berserk! There are still many people alive today who experienced
    the terror of Nazi Germany. Imagine how they would feel if they
    found out that not only is Naziism still alive but, they command
    power that no government can stop.

    There is still other information that I've come across which I
    am in the process of researching at this point. It regards the
    science of Cybornetics. I became interested in this because the
    Nazi's did many "experiments" with humans. Many of these
    experiments are deemed to be highly unethical by the medical
    profession. So strange in fact that results of these tests cannot
    be released or even used for a good purpose because of the way the
    tests were conducted. More on this some other time but it may be
    possible that these "little people" are cyborgs. Don't laugh. What
    I have read so far just might support this theory.

    There are a few problems with all of this. What about the
    sightings that took place before WWII? What about Lear's report
    that we are dealing with Aliens, Extraterrestrials from another
    world? Why bother with the Space Shuttle and rockets if the
    technology exists to build saucers? None of it truly makes sense.
    That is the problem. We have only questions and not enough answers
    but, somebody knows. Do you?


    Al Pinto

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    Vangard Note

    Mr. Peter Kelly informed us of a book entitled "Genesis" which
    has been "removed" from circulation.

    Written by W. A. Harbinson and published by
    Dell Publishing Co., Inc.
    1 Dag Hammarskjold Plaza
    New York, NY 10017

    copyright 1980 and 1982 by W. A. Harbinson.

    ISBN : 0-440-12832-3

    Another slightly different version of the book was published in
    Great Britain by Corgi Books.

    It is apparent from Mr. Pinto's paper that he is using and




    possibly researching "Genesis" for his primary source. The
    Cyborgs mentioned in his article are most notably mentioned in
    "Genesis" in addition to the abduction of a tribe of Paraguayan
    Indians from the Ache tribe who have many of the characteristics
    found in UFO contact cases.

    Through the efforts of Chuck Henderson, Vangard Secretary, we have
    managed to secure a copy of the book.

    The intriguing point is that the book is based on certain facts
    which have come to light since WWII.

    Points of interest as taken from Mr. Harbinsons bibliography (in a
    science fiction novel???) included the following:

    1) A highly technical but little-known book called
    "Intercettateli Senza Sparare" claims that the "Foo Fighter"
    actually existed, that it was originally called the
    Feurball, and that it was first constructed at the
    aeronautical establishment at Wiener Neustadt. Used by the
    Germans during the closing stages of the War both as an
    anti-radar device and as a "psychological" weapon against
    Allied pilots.

    Vesco says "The fiery halo around the Feurball perimeter was
    caused by a very rich fuel mixture in addition to the
    chemical additives that interrupted the flow of electricity
    by over-ionizing the atmosphere in the vicinity of the
    plane, generally around the wing tips or tail surfaces,
    subjecting the H2S radar on the plane to the action of
    powerful electrostatic fields and electromagnetic impulses."

    2) Robert Ley, Minister for Labor in Nazi Germany in April
    1945, excitedly told Albert Speer that German scientists had
    invented a "death ray" (possibly a laser weapon).

    Captain Heinze Schaeffer, captain of the U-977 submarine
    (suspected taking Hitler and and Martin Bormann to
    Patagonia, then on to a secret Nazi base in the Antartic),
    stated in his book "U-boat 977" that in April 1945 an S.S.
    associate had offered him a demonstration of a so-called
    "death ray". Schaeffer had to decline the offer in order to
    make his famous last voyage before the final German
    downfall.

    We recommend that you do your best to acquire a copy of "Genesis"
    to get a better handle on this topic. Try half-price or old
    bookstores. If you find a stash, we would be interested in buying
    some copies to freely distribute to various parties of our
    acquaintance who might further expand our collective knowledge on
    this subject.

    Thank you for you interest and contributions.

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  • From Carolyn Hoffman@RICKSBBS to All on Sunday, February 02, 2025 06:52:00
    UFO's. Alien or Man Made
    By
    Al Pinto


    First, I would like to introduce myself. I am not an airplane pilot. I am not an astronaut, physicist, scientist, pscychologist, or any other so called "accepted" authority on UFO's. I am however an ex-Navy Petty Officer with a good amount of observation experience. I am also someone who is very
    interested in the phenomenon. I have researched this subject for quite a while now, because of what it might mean to us if the "truth" leaked out. Let me tell you that there is a lot more to UFO's than you may think.

    The governments of the world have been covering up everything that has to do with UFO's. Why? It may be they feel that the sheer thought of an "alien" culture infiltrating our world would cause mass hysteria. When I was a
    teenager living in North Bergen, NJ (a town across the Hudson River, directly across from NYC) hundreds of people saw what appeared to be a flying disk land in what was then called Hudson County Park ( now named Braddock Park after James J. Braddock, the boxer). It was said to blow out windows in a high rise named the "Stonehenge". The only thing ever heard about it was a small blurb
    in the local newspaper called the Dispatch. I became interested in the phenomenon ever since. The authorities must have had one hell of a time suppressing that sighting but, apparently were very succesful. Again I ask, why?

    Maybe these craft are some secret government project. There is a lot of
    evidence to this that dates back to WWII. There is a report by Marshall
    Yarrow, then then the Reuters special correspondant to Supreme H.Q. in
    liberated Paris. This article was published in the South Wales Argus on
    December 13, 1944. It stated, "The Germans have produced a 'secret' weapon in
    keeping with the Christmas season. The new device, which is appaently an air
    defense weapon, resembles the glass balls that adorn Christmas trees. T hey
    have been seen hanging in the air over German territory,sometimes singly, sometimes in clusters. They are colored silver and are appaently transparent."

    Another article regarding the German's secret craft was released by the Associated Press in the New York Herald Tribune dated January 2, 1945. It
    said: "Now, it seems, the Nazis have thrown something new into the night skiesover Germany. It is the weird, mysterious 'Foo Fighter' balls which race alongside the wings of Beaufighters flying intruder missions over Germany. Pilots have been encountering this eerie eapon for more than a month in their night flights. No one apparently knows what this sky weapon is. The balls of fire appear suddenly and accompany the planes for miles. They seem to be radio controlled from the ground, so official intelligence reports reveal..."

    I recently read a paper by Dr. Renato Vesco in which he claims that the "Foo Fighter" actually existed. It was originally called the "Feurball" and that it was first built at an aeronautical establishment in Weiner Neustatt, with the help of the Flugfunk Forschungsanstalt of Oberpfaffenhoffen (FFO). According
    to Vesco, the craft was a flat, circular flying machine, powered by a special turbojet engine, which was used by the Germans during the end of the war.
    Vesco also claims that the basic principles of the "Feurball" were later applied to a much larger craft called the "Kugelblitz" or Ball Lightning Fighter. This craft, which was rummored to be a revolutionary kind of supersonic aircraft- was sucesfully conducted over the underground complex of Kahla, in Thuringia, some time during February of 1945.

    By 1975, Luftfhardt International was stating that a WWII Flugkapitan Rudolph Schriever had died and found among his papers were the incomplete notes for a large flying saucer, a series of rough sketches of the machine, and several newspaper clippings of himself and his alleged flying saucer. Luftfahrt also pointed out that Schriever, up until his death, had been convinced that the
    UFO sightings since the end of the war were proof that his original id as had been taken further with succesful results.

    Again I wonder. Is there something more to this? Where did this technology go?

    In May of 1978, at Stand 111 in a scientific exhibition in the Hanover Messe Hall, some people were giving out a paper entitled the "Brisant". The
    paper contained two seemingly unrelated articles:
    1. The scientific future of the Antartic.
    2. Germany's WWII flying saucers The flying saucer spoke
    of the information I alredy had presented to you. The article also incl
    detailed drawing of a typical WWII flying disk, did not mention the
    designer's name, and claimed that the drawing was altered by the West
    German gov't to render it "safe" for publication. According to the
    article, at the end of the war, some of the patents for this craft
    disapeared into secret Russian, American, and British files. The remainder
    of the files and most likely, the most important ones, went with the
    "missing" German sci entists and S.S. men. By 1956, Captain Ed Ruppelt,
    then head of the U.S.A.F.'s Project Blue Book, wrote, "When WWII ended,
    the Germans had several radical types of aircraft and guided missles under
    development. The majority of these were in the most preliminary staes, but
    they were the only known craft that could even approach the performances
    of the objects reported by UFO observers."

    The article also states that in 1938, Hitler, anxious for a foothold in the Antartic, sent an expediition commanded by Captain Alfred Richter to the coast due south of South Africa. Two seaplanes were launched from the deck of the carrier, Schwabenland, daily for three weeks. They had orders to fly back and forth across the territory which Norwegian explorers had named Queen Maud
    Land. The Germans had then made a far more thorough study of these region, finding vast areas that were free of ice. They renamed the area "Neuschwabenland" and claimed it as part of the Third Reich. German ships and U-boats continued to operate in the South Atlantic Ocean, particularly
    between South Africa and the Antartic, throughout WWII. Then, in March 1945, just before the end of the war, two German U-boats, U-530 and U-977, left from a port on the Baltic Sea. Alegedly, they took with them members of the flying saucer research teams, the last of the most vital saucer components, the notes and drawings for the saucer, and the designs for gigantic underground
    complexes and living accomodations based on the underground factories of Nordhausen in the Harz mountains. The U-boats allegedly unloaded all of this
    in Antartica. Then, two months after the war, they mysteriously surfaced off the coast of Argentina where the crews were handed over to the American authorities, who interrogated them at length and then flew them all back to
    the United States and questioned the Captains of both U-boats for almost a year.

    About a year after their capture, the United States launched the biggest
    operation ever known regarding the Antartic. The purpose was to
    "circumnavigate the 16,000 mile continent and map it thoroughly.." "Brisant"
    felt i odd that Operation Highjump, as it was called, under the command of
    Adm. Richard E. Byrd, included 13 ships, 2 seaplane tenders, an aircraft
    carrier, 6 two engine R4D transports, 6 Martin PBM flying boats, 6
    helicopters and a staggering 4000 men. That expedition became somewhat of a
    mystery. It docked near the German claimed Neuschwabenland and split up into
    three separate task forces. Some reports claim that the mission was an
    enormous success. Other, mainly foreign, reports say that it was a complete
    disaster: that many of Byrd's men were lost on the first day, that at least
    four of his airplanes had disappeared, and that while the expedition had gone
    provisioned for 6 to 8 months, they had returned only after a few weeks.
    According to "Brisant" Admiral Byrd told a reporter that it was "necessary
    for the USA to take defensive actions aginst enemy air fighters which come
    from the polar regions" and that in case of a new war the USA would be
    "attacked by fighters that are able to fly from one pole to the other with
    incredible speed." Admiral Byrd was then ordered to undergo a secret cross
    examination and the US withdrew from the Antartic for almost a decade.

    Yes, I have to ask again. Why are the governments of Earth covering up on this UFO phenomenon. It may be because they have no choice right now. They are up against a much more technologically advanced society that might very well be a product of the Nazi's and they can't do a thing about it right now. It then becomes more apparent why they do not want us to know. The masses would not only panic but would quite probably go berserk! There are still many people alive today who experienced the terror of Nazi Germany. Imagine how they would feel if they found out that not only is Naziism still alive but, they command power that no government can stop.

    There is still other information that I've come across which I am in the process of researching at this point. It regards the science of Cybornetics. I became interested in this because the Nazi's did many "exp riments" with humans. Many of these experiments are deemed to be highly unethical by the medical profession. So strange infact that results of these tests cannot be released or even used for a good purpose because of the way the tests were conducted. More on this some other time but it may be possible that these "little people" are cyborgs. Don't laugh. What I have read so far just might support this theory.

    There are a few problems with all of this. What about the sightings that took place before WWII? What about Lear's report that we are dealing with Aliens, Extraterrestrials from another world? Why bother with te Space Shuttle and rockets if the technology exists to build saucers? None of it truly makes sense. That is the problem. We have only questions and not enough answers but, somebody knows. Do you?


    Al Pinto

    
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