PART 15

3. The reason I know it flew silently is I was present on a
number of occasions when it was landing or taking off (I was
always taken inside and out of view of the runway at these
times) and at no time did I hear anything that sounded like a
conventional or any other kind of engine.

4. I was working on their ______ several times when they
just_______. However since I was there to work on them I
really didn't think anything about it. Oh yes, they would
___________ again just as suddenly. Also there were a number
of times that I was called out to work on ______ and could
not find anything wrong with it.

5. On of the men that I knew were "Pilots" was just slightly
larger than me.

6. Most of the test flights occurred in the daytime rather
than at night.

7. The radio frequency they used at that time was in the
regular commercial VHF band and was a simplex frequency. At
one time I had the Freq. written down but I have no idea now
what it was. Anyway, i really think that someone with a
scanner could pick them up if they were to park on the road
to the east of the test site and use some kind of directional
antenna.

8. Before I send this letter I will try to get a USC&GS map
of the area and will mark the location of Area 51 on it.

9. There was a Radar Station at the north end of the test
site near the town of Tonopah, Nevada. A fellow from my home
town of _______,________ was an operator there. His name is
__________ __________ . We were talking about the test site
one day when he mentioned that he was always picking up UFO's
over the test site but was told to ignore them. I remember
him telling about one that he picked up on the edge of his
RBI on the first revolution was directly overhead on the
second pass and was just going off the scope on the third
revolution of the antenna.

10. For some reason I seem to remember that the Redlight is
spelled Redlight i.e. all one word.

11. I always had the impression that the flight test area
was from Area 51 north because there is a natural valley that
runs in that direction for 200 miles or so. Also the area
to the south was more populated. Also I entered Area 51 from
the north and there were a couple of times that i was
questioned about whether I had 'noticed' anything on the way
in.

12. I was reminded constantly that no matter what I saw I
could be in serious trouble if I ever talked about any of it.
I can't stress how much how tight the security was, it was
almost paranoid.

13. I don't think this has anything to do with Redlight, but
I remember when I was a kid back in the 40's, on two
occasions I saw a story about UFO's included in the weekly
Pathe' News. There was one story about a UFO that had
crashed somewhere and another story about a UFO that was
found in some farmers barn. Both of those stories were given
the usual news treatment. The reason that I am mentioning
this is that I recently read an article about the entire
library of Pathe' movie film being given to an institution of
some kind which would make it available to researchers. I am
certain that if these film clips could be located they would
be useful. Realizing that these stories appeared prior to
Blue Book and at a time of Buck Rogers and Flash Gordon,
there is probably a better than even chance that they can be
located by someone willing to spend the time viewing a few
hundred hours of old news film.

14. More on item #7, the air-to-ground frequencies were in
the 200mc range. I believe there is a standard set of air-to
-ground or government frequencies either just above or just
below the 220mc ham band and their communications were on
those frequencies.

Well there you have it ______. I hope that I have shed some
light on some dark areas. Should any other thoughts come to
mind that I feel may be important I will try to catch you on
the ____________. Hopefully if I can get things settled down
to a dull roar I will be able to start checking in on a more
permanent basis. Of course, should you have any questions or
want further clarification please contact me.


(signature)

NOTE...Any information that would identify the sender or
recipient of this letter has been deleted in order to protect
them. The original document contains both names and
addresses but will be given to no one without their
permission. The reason Len Stringfields name is left in is
that he is a known UFO researcher and it cannot hurt him as
he was not the sender or receiver.

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PART 16

CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY TOP SECRET
WASHINGTON, D.C. 20505

June 24, [BLANK]


[BLANK]

[BLANK]/MJ12

Executive Briefing {Memo}

Yesterday R2 requested briefing on Project "A". In particular,
he wanted update info from [BLANK]. MJ3 advised that that
info was not available to R2. Apparently, White House requested
info because of [ BLANK ]. Can't seem
to make those fools realize [BLANK] info is not available for
any dissemination, per EO 01156, regardless of who requests
info. Contact T-2P and see if he can assume custody of the
matter.

Don't allow AF to evaluate IDENT info. They may open up a
little too much. KEND-3 can assist to some extent.



MJ5





TOP SECRET


HANDLE ON STRICT
NEED TO KNOW BASIS


TO: All interested parties

FROM: Allen Benz
Foundation for UFO Research
Box 182
Tucson, AZ 85702-0182


SUBJECT: WILLIAM S. "Bill" ENGLISH

Recently we received a letter from Bill English which states
in part:
It's come to my attention that I've been the subject
of much speculation on the Paranet out of Phoenix, and
that several people have called my father at his
office in Phoenix. All trying to find out if I am
indeed his son and/or if I'm alive...[please] put
out a message on the net telling everyone that I'm
alive and well and that I request that they not
bother my father anymore. I think he's about to
blow a gasket.

Anyone wishing to contact Bill English may do so by contacting us
at the above mailing address.



QUESTIONS ON AQUARIUS

by Christian P. Lambright


It has been said that there are three kinds of people, those
who make things happen, those who watch things happen, and those who wonder...what happened...? It seems that nothing more true could be
said of the types of people involved in the arena of UFO interest.
The recent controversy concerning the alleged project entitled "AQUARIUS"
and the control group labeled "MJ-12" seems a prime example of the
confusion that results from lack of communication between interested
parties. Is there a project AQUARIUS which deals with UFOs? Who first discovered that such a project existed? If the documentation supporting
the existence of an "MJ-12" group is valid, as some contend, then
why does it appear full of discrepancies? These are questions that
need to be addressed before any attempt can be made to judge the validity
of the issues.

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PART 17

As any good detective can tell, motivation is a helpful key
in solv-ing any crime or mystery. Who would stand to gain by the situation
at hand? Perhaps a little of this line of reasoning would help in
solving the current mystery of AQUARIUS/MJ-12. The revelation of a
UFO-related project by the name of AQUARIUS first appeared on the
scene in what has commonly been referred to as the "NASA-telex"
[AQUARIUS.DOC]. This is the allegedly genuine document which describes
several pieces of photographic film relating to incidents at Kirtland
AFB and the case of Paul Bennewitz. As most knowledgeable people are
aware, this document relates quite a bit of interesting information
pertaining to official interest in UFOs as well as mentioning the
existence of project AQUARIUS and something called "MJ-12". However,
several key areas in this document were deleted by either the original
source or by the recipient. It is interesting to note that there is
a retyped version of this document which has circulated with the deletions filled-in, but with no explanation as to who retyped it or how the
previously deleted areas were uncovered.

Reportedly Peter Gersten was shown this document in 1983 and
so it would seem that it has been around for several years. But if
Gersten was the original recipient he has not revealed where he obtained
it or from whom. This document would appear to be closely tied to
the events at Kirtland AFB in 1980 inasmuch as it mentions Bennewitz
and the Air Force interest in UFO sightings over military bases. Could
the release of this document be related to the release of the initial document(s) concerning the events at Kirtland? [KIRTLND1.DOC, KIRTLND2.DOC] William Moore has stated that he was first given the initial Kirtland
documents in Washington DC in early 1982 by an unnamed source. And
there have been several rumors circulated concerning heated arguments
between Moore and Gersten over the means by which Gersten obtained
these documents. Rumors aside, if Moore received his documents over
one year after the incidents occurred then whoever gave him these
copies must have had access to them either from AFOSI files in Washington
or from the original sender at Kirtland. There are indications that
William Moore received his copies from Richard Doty, the AFOSI Special
Agent at Kirtland AFB. Other sources have also reported that Doty
was involved in an effort to get information of this nature out to
certain individuals for purposes unknown. And so it seems possible
that Doty was responsible for the Kirtland documents and perhaps the "NASA-telex" being released as he would have been in a position to
have access to such information. Regardless, it would fall to serious
UFO researchers to attempt to verify if the documents conveyed valid information, or disinformation.

As interest began to focus on AQUARIUS and "MJ-12" several
different FOIA requests were filed with various government agencies
to try to garn-ish information on these subjects, but as recently
as 1986 most of the leading figures in Ufology were convinced that
the document was a forgery and that Project AQUARIUS was nonexistent.

In 1985 I had filed several different requests with government agencies requesting information on three projects: Sigma, Snowbird and Aquarius;
as well as any information pertaining to MJ-12 or Majestic-12. I
specifically did not mention any connection or interest dealing with
UFOs in these requests. With the exception of the National Security
Agency every response I received was a denial of any knowledge of
any of these subjects or titles. While they stated that Sigma and
Snowbird were "not projects of this agency" and that they had no knowledge
of MJ-12, they estimated that search fees for all information on Project AQUARIUS would be $15,000! It would appear that this is a rather expansive project. After several subsequent requests for clarification and to
simply send the initial document which initiated the project the NSA
stated that the project did not deal with "UFOs" and that as I would
not be paying the fees they were concluding action on my requests.
Subsequent appeals only clarified that Project AQUARIUS was classified
Top Secret and that release of any portion of it could pose "grave
danger to the national security." [AQUANSA.DOC]

Several individuals have considered the statement by the NSA
that AQUARIUS does not deal with UFOs to be patently honest, and perhaps
this is the truth. However I believe that to have expected the NSA
to "rollover" and openly reveal otherwise would be naive to say the
least. It seems paradoxical that some "researchers" both expect these
agencies to be deceptive but will readily accept some statements as
totally accurate. I believe that there are sufficient reasons to suspect
that the NSA project may actually be the project which is indicated
in the "NASA-telex" which originally mentioned it and MJ-12.

In the process of trying to verify the above document I had
addressed a series of letters to what was designated the 7602 Air
Intelligence Group (7602 AINTELG), as of 1983 known as the Air Force
Special Activities Center. A Branch of the Air Force Intelligence
Service, the 7602 AINTELG deals with human resource intelligence,
much the same as the 4602 AINTELG which is known to have aided Edward
Ruppelt in his investi-gations several years ago. This may or may
not be coincidence and could be an interesting avenue for further
research. Nevertheless, in the process of trying to get information
on this group I had been receiving somewhat evasive response letters
from AFIS. In a conversation with an Air Force source in which I had
referred to my problems in obtaining information on this group I was
informed that perhaps this is due to the fact that "they are a branch
of the NSA!" This was at the time my first indication that there may
be some NSA involvement, and was prior to my letters to NSA itself.
Within a few months I was to learn another interesting fact pointing
to the NSA.

With the aid of well known researcher Thomas Adams I was notified
of a person who reportedly had heard a very interesting statement
concerning the initial AQUARIUS/MJ-12 document. After speaking with
this gentleman personally I was firmly convinced that the information
he was relating was accurate as it had been told to him. He related
that he had been told personally that this document had been changed
in two ways, and that he had been told this by the individual who had
changed it. Although both changes were not revealed, he had been told
that the reference in the document to "NASA" had originally been "NSA"!
And who was the person doing the telling ...none other than William
Moore. In a brief conversation with Moore after this in which I asked
him if he had any knowledge of this he simply stated "No comment."

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PART 18

The recent issue of JUST CAUSE also contains the statement by
Larry Fawcett and Barry Greenwood that they have been told that this
document is actually a retyped version. This fact was reportedly
revealed in 1983 to Peter Gersten by an Air Force officer and was
either forgotten or over-looked until just recently. However, the Air
Force source who is cited is said to be none other than Richard Doty
himself.

In light of the fact that it has recently become common knowledge
that Mr. Moore does (for his own reasons) delete documents which he
obtains, and that he is rather aggressive in his research, I believe
that Mr. Moore did in fact retype or have this document retyped. But
does this negate the value of the document, or indicate that it is
a hoax? Perhaps this explains why no one can verify if the document
is genuine, because technically it is a forgery. It would appear that
it is up to Mr. Moore to reveal a clean, accurate version and to finally
reveal the facts behind its acquisition.

According to film producer and director Linda Moulton Howe,
she has had independent confirmation of MJ-12 and reportedly was shown
a set of documents containing much of the same, if not identical,
information. However, the actual name of the group in question was
not "Majestic" but another similar sounding word containing the letters
M and J. Could it be that the term "Majestic" was a substitution in
a clever attempt to withhold a key bit of information which only someone
with true inside information would be able to identify?

If there is reason to question the accuracy of the information
pre-sented in the original AQUARIUS/MJ-12 document as well as the
information in the recent documents pertaining to MJ-12, does this
logically imply that the 1980 Kirtland/Bennewitz events should be
considered questionable? Any single-witness UFO sighting has always
been somewhat questionable, this is exactly why we look for multiple
witnesses and any other supporting evidence. If Richard Doty, or Paul
Bennewitz were alone in reporting these incidents then the Kirtland
events would never have become as major an issue as they have. However
there were numerous individuals involved not only in the events
precipitating preparation of the documents themselves. A brief summary
of the incidents is as follows:-

Early 1980, Paul Bennewitz becomes involved in observing and
filming objects which he has sighted on the ground and in the
air near Kirtland AFB and the Manzano range. Reportedly his
wife was also present to witness some of the first landings
he witnessed and filmed in the Coyote Canyon area. Subsequently
he contacts Earnest Edwards of the Kirtland Security Police who,
over the period of the next few months, becomes concerned and
requests the guards on the Manzano Weapons Storage Area report
to him any sightings of unusual aerial lights. At the beginning
of August 1980 three guards report sighting an aerial light
which descends on the Sandia Military Reservation. This is
the first sighting described in the complaint form signed by
Richard Doty. Edwards reports the sighting to Doty unaware that
Doty has already heard from Russ Curtis (Sandia Security Chief)
that a Sandia Security guard sighted a disc-shaped object near
a structure just minutes after the sighting by the three Manzano
guards. Doty includes these reports and several others in his
Complaint Form and forwards the report to AFOSI Headquarters
in Washington.


From this point on many other persons became involved. Bennewitz was
called down to a meeting at Kirtland AFB at which several major Air
Force officers and Sandia personnel were present, including a Brigadier General. Earnest Edwards has confirmed that the three guards under
his command reported what was described, and that the meeting took
place. Bennewitz has confirmed that Doty and Jerry Miller came to
his home to view his materials and there is a document signed by Thomas
A. Cseh, Commander of the Base Investigative Detachment, to confirm
this. Finally there is the complete set of documents which were released
by AFOSI Headquarters under cover of the Department of the Air Force
relating to the described events.

There seem to be only two possibilities to consider. One: that
this is one of the most profound deceptions that has been undertaken
with the sanction of the USAF, involving a civilian, for purposes
which can only be imagined. The other: that the events happened as
described and that the intervening years, subsequent developments,
and misguided researchers, have only clouded the facts. Perhaps there
was also some effort made on an official level to defuse the sensitive
nature of the events.

Would Richard Doty have perpetrated a hoax, involved other
officers in his deception, sent the hoax on to AFOSI Headquarters,
and then spread certain information to civilian UFO researchers? For
what purpose? And would he still be in the Air Force if he was discovered, knowing the public relations catastrophe that could result from AFOSI
in Washington releasing the subsequent documents? It seems inconceivable
that the Base Investigative Detachment, and the Department of the
Air Force, would not have quickly and easily discovered the hoax and subsequently labeled the entire matter as such, knowing their previous predilection to do just that.

A few simple telephone calls have served to clarify much of
the truth of the initial incidents. We must avoid the temptation at
times to "shoot first and ask questions later" which can result in
spreading misinformation ourselves. It is advisable to use tact in
approaching witnesses as we have no God-given right to call up strangers
and demand that they answer questions, particularly when sensitive
matters may be involved. Is it any surprise that some of these people
may not want to be bothered by every person who plies them with questions?

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PART 19

A very bizarre but intriguing letter was sent to APRO in either
late 1980 or early 1981 and is commonly referred to by the name of
the initial subject of the letter, a Mr. Craig Weitzel. This letter
refers to a sequence of events which occurred in the mid-1980's at
both Kirtland AFB and in an area near Pecos, NM and also makes several statements to the effect that there is a UFO-investigation detachment
stationed at or near Kirtland. The writer also goes on to mention
among other things that there is at least one "object" stored in the
Manzano storage area. That the letter was at least legitimately received
at APRO can be ascertained by the vehement letter which Jim Lorenzen
mailed out rebuking the gentleman who released this letter without
official permission from APRO. However, can we determine if this letter
is a total hoax or is there even a grain of truth to be found in the information it conveys? In a conversation I had with Craig Weitzel
he claimed to know nothing of the details related in the letter, and
denied that he took any photographs. Strangely enough, however, he
did state that he and the other did see an unusual silvery object
hovering high in the sky which left the area, to use his words, "exponentially"! He had been training in mountain rescue operations
and he and the others had spelled out S-O-S on the mountain side using parachutes and were waiting for the rescue helicopters to spot them.
While looking for these helicopters they notices the silvery "UFO".
If this is all that occurred what could be the reason to fabricate
such a letter and yet give the name and address of a witness who was
sure to refute the claims? Was it just a bizarre practical joke? The
author of the anonymous letter claims that after Weitzel spoke with
AFOSI agent Dody (sic) he did not want to have anything more to do
with the matter and subsequently the Dody character denied that there
had been any photographs. Was this a circumstance that could have
been expected based on previous experience with Air Force handling
of such matters? Many government and military witnesses often refuse
to talk about their experiences to strangers either because of official pressure or simply for the sake of their own privacy. Motivation again
must be considered in efforts to find the complete truth.

In early October 1987 I had a strange conversation with an individual
who is unknown to me except by first name and who initially knew
absolutely nothing about my interest in UFOs. During a telephone
conversation which took place totally by chance, the subject of nuclear
weapons came up as this person indicated some knowledge of this
weaponry, being at the time a member of the Air Force. I jokingly
asked to know everything there was to know about Kirtland AFB, but
not due to my interest in nuclear weapons per se but because of something
else I thought may be stored at Manzano that "isn't nuclear weapons."
After a momentary chuckle this individual said, "yes...UFOs!" As astounded
as I was I asked for a little clarification, and after relating my
interest, I was told that there are two "objects" stored in the Manzano
area from what this person had heard during conversations by Air Force personnel in Germany. There had been some discussion about something
which was related to a UFO incident widely reported in German newspapers
in 1981 being similar to something which "they" had "over here."
Because of the circumstances under which this conversation occurred
and the fact that I had in no way even alluded to the subject I believe
that this may offer some support to some of the statements made in
the anonymous "Weitzel" letter.

A final note of interest has come up in the newly released book
on the "flying boomerang" objects reported in recent years in and
around New York state [NIGHT SIEGE, Ballantine 1987]. In the process
of investigating these incidents Hynek and Imbrogno were contacted
by an individual who claimed to work for the NSA. They apparently
verified this to their own satisfaction, and while this person professed
that his interest was only personal, they were struck by the inordinate
amount of interest this person showed in their investigations and
any evidence they uncovered. There are even indications that their
telephones may have been tapped. While it is unknown if this man's
interest went further than personal curiosity, it is clear that the investigators felt there was something unusual about it. Nevertheless,
here is yet another instance in which the National Security Agency
seems to have crept into the picture.

Do the facts as outlined here cast reasonable suspicion on the
NSA and its part in official interest in unidentified flying objects?
I believe that they do and that there is justifiable cause to suspect
that the project AQUARIUS which relates (at least in some way) to
UFOs is probably an NSA, or NSA related project. It also still seems
that in spite of the arguments and confusion concerning documents,
the designation "MJ-12" must be considered if not a certainty, than
at least potentially valid. Those who have taken the time to contact
witnesses and obtain their statements and help, have the best chance
to make up their minds for themselves, regardless of the confusion
concerning altered documents which seems to be precipitating furiously.
We do not want to throw the proverbial baby out with the bath water
simply because the facts seem confusing. Perhaps even the confusion
is being directed by someone somewhere. We should keep our sights
fixed firmly on the major issues and the facts we can prove in our
efforts to uncover the truth.

END

Thanks to all those sources both named and unnamed who have contributed
to the facts outlined here.

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PART 20

CUFON Computer UFO Network

Document #: 1
From: UFO INFO SERVICE
Date Sent: 06-09-1986
Subject: 1947 J. EDGAR HOOVER FBI

CUFON-UFO INFORMATION SERVICE SEATTLE, WA

FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT DOCUMENT FILES

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

Memorandum for Mr. Ladd

mr. ________ also discussed this matter with Colonel L. H. Forney
of MID. Colonel Forney indicated that it was his attitude that inasmuch
as it has been established that the flying disks are not the result
of any Army or Navy experiments, the matter is of interest to the
FBI. He stated that he was of the opinion that the Bureau, if at
all possible, should accede to General Schulgen's request.

SWR:AJB

ADDENDUM

I would recommend that we advise the Army that the Bureau does not
believe it should go into these investigations, it being noted that
a great bulk of those alleged discs reported found have been pranks.
It is not believed that the Bureau would accomplish anything by going
into these investigations.

DML

(Clyde Tolson)-I think we should do this. (Dated 7/15)

(J. Edgar Hoover)-I would do it but before agreeing to it we must
insist upon full access to discs recovered. For instance in the SW
case the Army grabbed it and would not let us have it for cursory
examination.



CUFON Computer UFO Network

Document #: 2
From: UFO INFO S ERVICE
Date Sent: 06-09-1986
Subject: 1947 AAF W/FBI UFO INVES.

CUFON-UFO INFORMATION SERVICE SEATTLE, WA

FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT DOCUMENT FILES ------------------------------------------------------------------
DATE OF DOCUMENT 7/30/1947
(B) FLYING DISCS-The Bureau, at the request o f the Army Air Force intelligence, has agreed to cooperate in the investigation of flying
discs. The Air Forces have confidentially advised that it is possible
to release three or more discs in odd numbers, attached together by
a wire, from an airplane in high altitudes and that these discs would
obtain tremendous speed in their descent and would descend to the earth
in an arc. The Army Air Forces Intelligence has also indicated some
concern that the reported sightings might have been made by subversive individuals for the purpose of creating a mass hysteria.

(AUTHORIZATION TO INVESTIGATE)

7-30-47
BUREAU BULLETIN NO. 42 -2-
Series 1947

You should investigate each instance which is brought to your
attention of a sighting of a flying disc in order to ascertain whether
or not it is a bonifide sighting, an imaginary one or a prank. You
should also bear in mind that individuals might report seeing flying
discs for various reasons. It is conceivable that an individual might
be desirous of seeking personal publicity, causing hysteria, or playing
a prank.

The Bureau should be notified immediately by teletype of all
reported sightings and the results of your inquiries. In instances
where the report appears to have merit, the teletype should be followed
by a letter to the Bureau containing in detail the results of your
inquiries. The Army Air Forces have assured the Bureau complete
cooperating in these matters and in any instances where they fail
to make information available to you or make the recovered discs available
for your examination, it should promptly be brought to the attention
of the Bureau.

Any information you develop in connection with these discs should
be promptly brought to the attention of the Army through your usual
liason channels.




CUFON Computer UFO Network

Document #: 3
From: UFO INFO SERVICE
Date Sent: 06-09-1986
Subject: 1966 J.E.HOOVER RESPONSE

CUFON-UFO INFORMATION SERVICE SEATTLE, WA

FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT DOCUMENT FILES ------------------------------------------------------------------

ST-101 July 2l, 1966

___________________
Cleburne, Texas 76031

Dear Mr. ___________ _
Your letter of July 16th has been received.
For your information, the investigation of Unidentified Flying
Objects is not and never has been a matter that is within the
investigative jurisdiction of the FBI. I can assure you the photograph
you mentioned does not represent employees of this Bureau and the
FBI has never had custody of an occupant from a foreign planet.

Enclosed are some booklets pertaining to our activities which I
hope you will enjoy reading.

Sincerely yours,


John Edgar Hoover
Director



Enclosures (2)
Know your FBI
Story of the FBI
NOTE: Correspondent is not identifiable in Bufiles. The Bureau has
had other inquiries concerning this photograph. The article which
appeared in a recent issue of this magazine purported to be an actual
report of unidentified flying objects and has been brought to the
attention of the Bureau previously. In view of the fictional aspects
of the material and our relations with "Real" magazine no contact
was made with the magazine regarding the representation of FBI Agents.

MAIL ROOM ___ TELETYPE UNIT ___
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PART 26


Since leaving the navy I have worked at several companies engaged
in work for the government or the intelligence community. Some of
this work involved training foreign military personnel. I have also
obtained a college degree in photography. This is a field I have
long been interested in.

I am not now connected with the government or the intelligence community
except for friends that I have made over the years. Most recently
I have been involved in management of civilian training facilities.

Admissions Representative
Airco technical Institute
Long Beach, California

Admissions Representative
Adelphi Business College
Anaheim, California

Executive Director
Adelphi Business College
Van Nuys, California

Marketing Executive
United Education & Software
Encino, California

Executive Director
Pacific Coast Technical Institute
Anaheim, California

Executive Director
Currently The institute where I am presently employed is known to
3 of you and I do not wish it to be disclosed as the release of this information could have adverse affects upon my employment.


(3) Approximatly 50% of this information comes from documents that
I saw with my own eyes and I personnaly know it to be true and absolutely accurate. I saw and read GRUDG/ BLUE BOOK REPORT NO. 13. I saw and
read the MAJESTY document which contained the Aquarius information.
I was present at a briefing where much more information was discussed
and some of it has become cloudy over the years but has come back to
me when I saw information on that subject. About 50% of the information
comes from my sources who will remain un-named. About 60% of the
information is backed up by research and information available to
you all however the information is not generaly shared. It is out
there in various places and on various boards. Due to the potential
monetary value of the information I believe that it probably never
will be shared.


(4) In 1972 I related this information to one other person for self
protection and so that the information could be verified at some latter
date should the government not handle the situation. I gave him the information on the eve of my wedding. The last person to person contact
I had with him was in 1974. The last contact of ANY kind was in 1976
or 1977 by phone. I have not seen him, written to him, phoned him,
or had any contact with him at all since that time. I maintained
this distance to prevent any accusation of collusion or hoax should
it ever be neccessary to release the information. I also did it for
his protection so that he would not be involved if the government
should decide to harm me before the information could be released.
I gave him a copy of the information in the form of a copy of an original document. I retained the other copy but mine was destroyed in a storage
fire. He can and will verify the information to the right person
with the right code (which we agreed upon) to release it. 3 of you
have his name, the last place he lived in 1976, and the code. I will
not contact him until the information is verified. He can validate
my intelligence background and the information. He can state all
of this truthfully and because of our seperation over the years will
be able to pass any lie detector test to prove this is not a hoax.
I would also be able to pass the same test or any other test, sodium
pentathol etc.

I have also received a call from a man named Christopher who called
from an area code in Maryland. By his conversation with me on the
phone I know that he has also seen the MAJESTY information and the
AQUARIUS document. I also know that he is a member of Compuserve.
That is all I know about him. I left out a graphic on the reconstructed document that I posted in my MAJIC file and he questioned the ommission.
It is a minor detail that I did not think important but he spotted
it. The only way he could have known that the graphic was missing
would be that he has seen it himself. The graphic was 2 lightning
bolts which strike at the bottom of the finned rocket which is enclosed
in the circle. Since I could not put graphics in the document I only
included a short description.

I tested my father once by relating that I had seen information while
in the navy that the Government had recovered UFO's which had crashed.
I did this to guage his reaction because I knew that at one time when
I was very little he was the radar Officer at White Sands Proving
Ground. He gave me a very knowing look and advised me not to talk
about it. I have never discussed the matter with him since.

COME FORWARD NOW IF YOU HAVE ANY INFORMATION AT ALL WHICH WILL
SUBSTANTIATE THIS INFORMATION. THIS MAY BE THE ONLY CHANCE TO EXPOSE
THIS TERRIBLE SITUATION. IF I FAIL YOU ALL FAIL.

Milton William Cooper (Bill)
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PART 27

I have just met with a man who has been able to substantiate
certain sections of my MAJIC.TXT. You will all find the
following text very interesting. In order to confirm his
knowledge I performed several tests which will you will spot
in the text. His revelations were not solicited, I merely
asked him to read the MAJIC.TXT and call me if he wished to
talk. I met him through friends. This is the text of two
meetings which I had with him. The first occurred when we
were introduced. The second occurred on Christmas Eve and
was the most revealing.


I attended a Christmas party given by a friend who I have
known for many years. During the evening my friend took me
aside and told me that a man was present that he thought I
should meet. My friend told me that because of the
information that I had recently released this man might be
able to give me information. I asked why he thought so?
My friend told me that the man had been in the Army for 21
years and was assigned to DELTA SECURITY. I was immediately
interested and asked to be introduced.

My friend introduced me to a tall, lean, fit man who was in
his late 60's. I was impressed with his physical fitness.
His hair was grey and he stood with the bearing of one who
had spent many years with the military. He was mentally
sharp and showed no effects of his age.

After we had been introduced I told him that I too had spent
many years in military service, the Navy. I asked him where
he had been stationed. He replied that he had spent a lot of
time in Colorado, Mew Mexico, Nevada, and at Edwards Air
Force Base. I commented that I thought it strange that an
Army man would be stationed at Edwards. "Oh, he said, I was
with Delta Security and we had a lot to do with intra-service
projects." "We provided security for several services." I
then asked him if he had ever heard of Project REDLIGHT. His
eyes narrowed and he seemed uncomfortable. In fact he looked
around the room as if looking for somewhere else to go. "I
may have, he replied, but you know from your Navy days that I
can't discuss what I was involved with." I told him that in
a way I was involved with it also and then I told him that I
was with Naval Intelligence for a time. We exchanged small
talk but clearly he was uncomfortable since my mention of
REDLIGHT. I excused myself then found my friend again. I
asked my friend if he still had his copy of my MAJIC.TXT and
if he did would he get it for me. He left the room and then
came back and handed me the file.

I waited until I saw that the Ex-Army man was leaving and
then went out to his car with him. I asked him if he would
look at something that I would draw. He said yes but really
had to leave. On the back of the MAJIC.TXT file I drew the
TRILATERAL insignia. I said nothing. He grabbed the file
and asked me where I had seen the insignia. I told him I had
seen it while with Naval Intelligence and asked him if he
knew what it was. "Yes, he said, it is on a piece of
equipment. Do you know what the equipment is?" I told him
that it makes no sound. "You know then what REDLIGHT really
is, he said." I replied that I did. I told him that the
papers he held was a file explaining the whole thing and that
I would like him to read it and then call me if he would be
willing to talk to me about his experiences. I told him that
I have never revealed sources and would never reveal him as
the source of the information. He looked me right in the eye
and said, "If you even tell anyone about this conversation I
will call you a liar right to your face." I told him that I
understood fully. I asked him how long he had known my
friend. He said he had known him for about 7 years. I told
him to ask our mutual friend about me so that he would feel
more comfortable about me. He took the file and left.




A few days later he called me and asked to meet me during the
day at a local park on Christmas Eve. We arranged the time
and met at a picnic table at the park.

The first thing that he said was that he never wanted his
name connected with anything that I ever did or said and that
he never wanted to see me again after our meeting. I agreed
to those terms. He then gave me his telephone number and
asked me to call him if I ever thought that his identity had
been compromised in any way. I agreed to that also.

I then asked him why he had agreed to talk to me about his
involvement. "For the same reason that you are talking about
it, he replied, the whole thing is very grim and it won't get
better." I asked him if he wanted me to ask questions or if
he would just like to narrate. He told me to ask questions
and when I pulled out my tape recorder he told me not to use
it because voice identification was possible. I knew that
this was possible and again consented to his terms. I asked
if I could take notes and he agreed to notes only.

Bill----Where did you see the TRILATERAL INSIGNIA that I drew
for you at the party and that you saw in my file?

Man-----On a flying saucer that I guarded at Edwards Air
Force Base. I saw it again on different saucers when
I was at Area 51 in Nevada....Your file is pretty
accurate as to what I know....I was surprised by the
extent of your knowledge.

Bill----I saw some of the information and have other sources.
That file is the product of 17 years of searching.
In fact a lot of it came from doing what we are doing
now, just talking to people. Can you tell me how you
came to see the saucer at Edwards?

Man-----I was assigned to guard a hanger at Edwards, at the
time I didn't know what was in it.

Bill----What was the name of the hanger?

Man-----The hanger had no number or name. We called it the
Delta hanger.

Bill----Can you tell me where it is located?

Man-----It is on the North Base. Its the only hanger off by
itself and no one is allowed near it without a
special badge and clearance.

Bill----What does the badge look like?

Man-----It is a red badge with a black triangle on the face
of it and personal information on the back....like
any other ID.

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PART 28

Bill----How did you see the saucer?

Man-----The hanger is only entered through one door. Inside
the door is the guard room. On the other side of the
guard room is a door that goes into an office. On
the other side of the office is another door. We
were not allowed out of the guard room but one night
the duty officer asked me if I knew what I was
guarding. I said no that it was not my job to know.
He asked me if I would like to see. I thought he was
checking me out and told him it wasn't necessary. He
motioned for me to follow him and then took me
through the office and into the hanger. I saw the
saucer sitting on legs and it seemed to have jacks
under it also.

Bill----Can you describe it for me?

Man-----It was about 30 feet in diameter, metal but not
shiny. Like tarnished silver.

Bill----How thick was it?

Man-----About 15 to 18 feet thick.......It had the insignia
on the underside and again on the top.

Bill----Did you see any openings?

Man-----No but I only saw one side and it was only for about
3 or 4 minutes.

Bill----Was it round?

Man-----Oh yes...just like the movies.

Bill----Were there any windows?

Man-----There was what looked to be windows around the raised
portion but I could not see inside.

Bill----Were they round?

Man-----No, they were rectangular....I also saw a groove
around the saucer about 4 feet from the edge all the
way around and it was on the top and bottom. There
was an area on the bottom that looked like vents or
louvres.

Bill----What did the Officer say to you?

Man-----Only that he did not show me anything and we went
back to the guard room then he left.

Bill----Isn't that unusual?

Man-----Everything I did or saw on Delta was unusual. I saw
people break down and cry for no reason at times.
When things like that occurred you would never see
that man again.

Bill----What happened to them?

Man-----I don't know and didn't ask.

Bill----Lets deviate from this for awhile. Do you mind?

Man-----No, I don't.

Bill----How did you get into Delta security?

Man-----I was recruited into the National Recon Organization
and went to Fort Carson Colorado. After a lot of
training I was screened for Delta and then assigned
to Delta.

Bill----Why did they recruit you?

Man-----I was told that it was because I was an orphan. If
something happens to someone connected to a secret
project and they have family, the family could
compromise the project in just trying to find out
what happened to their loved one.

Bill----Is everyone in Delta orphans?

Man-----Just about, either that or their family died or was
killed later in life.

Bill----Didn't that bother you? I mean what could be so
secret that they have to use orphans?

Man-----Some of the things I've seen......The stories...
especially concerning dreamland....Did you know there
are bounty hunters connected with dreamland?

Bill----What do you mean?

Man-----If you work at Dreamland and go on leave or pass and
are not back on time or if someone doesn't come back
they send bounty hunters after you.......Thats where
the visitors...you know what I mean... live....there
is an underground facility.......I don't think I
should say anymore.....Most of the time I was there I
can't even remember anyway.....We were supposed to
talk about Redlight.

Bill----I don't remember agreeing to talk only about
Redlight....Is this a new condition?

Man-----Yes, I don't want to talk about anything else........
I will tell you that very strange things happen at
Dreamland.

Bill----What do you mean when you say you can't remember?

Man-----I can't remember....I really don't want to talk about
Dreamland.....I won't talk about it.

Bill----Please don't tantalize me. Either talk about it or
don't but don't do this to me. What else can you say
about Dreamland? Can you tell me where it is?

Man-----No, I can't talk about it. This is all very
dangerous and I am married now.....I just can't take
a chance.

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PART 29

Bill----Ok, tell me about Area 51.

Man-----Area 51 is at Groom Lake in Nevada. Its the
headquarters of Redlight.......The saucers are flown
there. Its part of the test range...Its on the map..
its just a dry lake bed with a Top Secret
installation built on and around it.

Bill----Have you seen one fly?

Man-----Yes, they are incredibly fast and make no noise at
all.

Bill----Is the one at Area 51 the same as the one at Edwards?

Man-----One was the same....the other one I saw looks like a
diamond.......like in a womans engagement ring.....if
you take the diamond out of a ring and turn it upside
down......thats what it looks like.

Bill----You mean literally like a diamond?

Man-----No, but the shape is the same.....it really
glows....but only when it flys. On the ground it is
the same metal as the saucer at Edwards....when it
flys it glows like the sun and sometimes changes
colors.

Bill----How close were you when you saw it?

Man-----Not close...no one was allowed to get close....
I think it emmitted radiation because we were all
required to wear dosimeters and they had to be
checked daily.

Bill----You mean it was atomic powered?

Man-----I don't know.....I only know there was a definate
radiation hazard and our dosimeters were checked
daily. We turned them in to be checked and were
issued new ones every day.

Bill----How long did you stay at Area 51?

Man-----The first time was for 3 months....Nobody ever stayed
more than a few months. The second time I was there
was for almost 5 months.....its like wartime there
were no passes while at Area 51....we had excellent
recreation facilitys though.

Bill----I hate to press you but I would like to know more
about Dreamland. My information seems to conflict
with yours. I have information that the Alien base
is in New Mexico, is that where Dreamland is?

Man-----There is more than one base and I have to go now....
I should not be talking to you about anything at all.
Its all too dangerous....even more than you
think.....I don't know everything but I know that its
way out of control and to tell you the truth I'm
afraid of what is going to happen.....Don't ask me
what because I don't know but........I know something
is going to happen.......Giant underground shelters
are being built under Groom Lake.....and in other
places. From reading your papers you know more about
a lot of this than I do.....I really do have to go
now....Its Christmas Eve and I live a ways off.

Bill----Before you go would you look over these notes and
make sure they're right?

Man-----I watched you write and its right. What are you
going to do with those notes?

Bill----I'll make a file and release this in the form of an
interview without identifying you.

Man-----If you do I'll call you a liar.

Bill----I won't identify you and just so you will feel better
I have never identified any of my sources. If you
ever want to talk again you have my phone number.

Man-----I don't think so....you had better be real careful...
I mean about yourself....I really wouldn't give
anyone else those notes....You should think about it.

Bill----What do you think will happen?

Man-----The same thing that has happened to ......some others
.......you should just drop it.....you....nobody can
do anything.


The rest was just parting conversation. He seemed to be very
sincere and very worried about what he was telling and
worried about my safety as well as his own.

This is the second person who has described a saucer at
Edwards, the same security badge, and reference to Dreamland
keeps coming up with these people. This is the first time I
have heard that there is more than one alien base and it is
the first time I have heard of bounty hunters. I think the
reference to a radiation hazard and the use of dosemeters is
also significant in view of the incident in Texas involving
the two women. John Lear told me that Dreamland was at
Edwards. Personally I do not know the location. Just the
name "DREAMLAND" is so far away from the normal military
trend of naming projects and places that it provokes
questions. I would like to point out that at one point my
sources told me the alien base was at Dreamland then they
told me it wasn't true and backed away from it. The name
keeps cropping up in connection with the alien base.
Reference to loss of memory is also common with abductees. I
found this interview to be personally disturbing.

Where possible I wrote down the questions and answers and
those are written exactly as asked and as answered. At some
points the conversation is reconstructed from my notes but
was done as soon as I arrived home and I am certain that it
is accurate. Having just met this man I have no clue as to
his motives or to the accuracy of the information. However I
do believe he was sincere and the range of emotions he
expressed would have been difficult for even a very good
professional actor.

(NOTE! A "dosemeter" is (or was when I was in service) a
piece of film in a small badge that is worn by personnel when
working in areas where they may be exposed to radiation.
If the film is hit by a dose of radiation it is exposed. The
amount of film exposure determines the exact dose of
radiation. When I was in the Strategic Air Command I had to
wear one because the alert pad aircraft carried nuclear
weapons. Our dosemeters were checked weekly. If the
dosemeter indicated that you had been exposed to radiation
then you had to go through a decontamination procedure.
During my time in service my dosemeter never indicated any
exposure to radiation. This explanation is offered for those
of you who may not have known what a dosemeter is.)

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