PART 33




Message #8792 - Gourmet Gab
Date : 18-May-90 12:43
From : John Hicks
To : Don Allen
Subject : Gallifrey

Did Ed tell you how he had managed to capture those "ghosts"
on film (recent Sentinel article showed a young girl at Ed's
house and the appearence of a ghost either behind or beside
her)?

Yes, he described what he was doing and showed me some pictures. The ghost pictures are pretty much a disinformation campaign by Willy Smith. BTW, when the first burned area was found in the field, Willy Smith insisted he smelled gasoline while no one else did. Specific testing for petroleum products found none. Also, Willy Smith hired a photographer in New York to fake a picture of an Ed-style ufo in front of the Chrysler Building, ostensibly to show how it could be done. Smith then passed off that picture as one of Ed's pictures
until the photographer contacted MUFON and let the cat out of the bag. So, I think anything Willy Smith says is highly suspect.
Anyway, back to the ghost pictures.
According to Ed, the game is that "The ghost is *in* one of you, and only
the camera can tell which."
Ed takes a couple of normal pictures of the kids, no ghost. Then he picks one, focuses the camera for long distance (called infinity, but he didn't know that) and takes a picture of the kid about four feet away. The out-of-focus picture shows the far wall sharp while the kid's a little blurry. The flash causes the eyes to go totally white in the same way that many pictures of people result in red eyes, or of animals result in bright green eyes etc. The "ghost" of course has totally white eyes.
In the picture Willy Smith is trying to call a ghost picture, it was
supposed to be a regular picture of the kid, no ghost. However, it was shot in front of a sliding glass door which Frances said she had never cleaned in the five or so years they had lived in the house.
Maccabee said that he has confirmed in tests that fingerprints and smears
can really reflect blobs of light while the angle to the glass is such that clean glass doesn't reflect light back to the camera. I've also seen this many times myself.
Anyway, Smith claims that the photo which shows the blobs of light is supposed to be a ghost picture, but when you see Ed's examples of "ghost" pictures and the pictures that show the kid that the "ghost" is gone, you can see that Smith is taking little bits of information completely out of context in a debunking effort.
Absolutely no signs of double exposure or manipulations other than intentionally wrong focusing can be seen in any of the pictures.

Total Non-sequitor: Since you're a photographer...what camera
setup
would you recommend and film,speed,etc to capture a UFO in
flight?

I extrapolated a ballpark exposure based on the known exposure settings of Ed's pictures taken with the Polaroid 108 film. It comes out to a ballpark exposure setting of 1/60 at f2.8 with ISO 3200 film. This is for the craft itself, providing it's apparent self-illumination would be about the same. My gut guess was 1/60 at f2 with ISO 1600 film, which amounts to the same.
Of course, if what you see is a bright light, you'd use less exposure, while if you see a dark disc you'd use more exposure. If you see lights on a dark disc you'd need to decide whether to go for the structure of the disc and let the lights overexpose or to go for the lights and let the disc go to black.
In any case, you need to use manual settings rather than autoexposure
because the metering system will see all that black sky and give an exposure
of several seconds. This is what happened recently when Ed and several others tried to photograph a dark disc that had a dull red light on the bottom. Everyone's camera gave an exposure of three to five seconds and all anyone got was blurry blobs.

jbh


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PART 34




Message #5474 - INFO.PARANET
Date : 10-Nov-91 2:12
From : John Hicks
To : all
Subject : Hyser report

Here's the scoop on the Hyser report (so far).
Rex Salisberry says he has a copy of William Hyser's report on some of Ed Walter's photos but can't release it to us yet because of a committment he
made to Hyser to not release the report without his (Hyser) permission.
Jerry Black sent a copy to Phil Klass, and Phil quoted a little of it in his newsletter. Rex said Hyser went through the roof.
Anyway, the gist of the report is that Hyser found quite a few things in the photos that were *consistent with* multiple exposures, but nothing that constituted *proof* of multiple exposures.
I think we've already discussed most of those items and picked the photos apart, but of course we don't have any clout so we don't really count. ;-)
Also, in the October 1991 _Photomethods_, (a journal for commercial/ industrial photographers) Hyser went through an example of how to do a
multiple exposure and have the object appear to be behind another darker object. The example was a ufo behind a church steeple at night (surprise!)
Anyway, he presents the idea of the film's threshold sensitivity as being
the key to having a foreground object appear black against a slightly light object.
Look at Ed Walter's photo #1, in which we see a ufo behind a tree branch. Keep that in mind.
Now I'll walk through the threshold sensitivity thing, in plain English. In the graphic arts and photolab industries, the process is called flashing, so you guys familiar with that stuff will now already know what I'm talking
about.
Photographic film (paper etc.) requires a minimum amount of light for an image to "stick." For example, let's say the threshold is five photon (units
of light). If the film receives only four photons, they'll most likely dissipate before you develop the film. If the film receives more than five photons, they "stick" and you have a latent image (waiting to be developed).
So, an area of film that receives only four photons will be black (clear)
and an area that receives six photons will have density.
Listen closely now.....
A ufo model is first photographed against a black background, and is exposed just below the threshold, say, just under five photons. If you were to develop the film, you'd see no image.
*But* you make a second exposure on the same sheet of film. The second exposure consists of a black tree and an illuminated skyline. You make this exposure slightly underexposed.
Where the tree overlaps the ufo, the film doesn't receive any additional light, so you have a total exposure still of just under five photons; no
image. The combination of the skyline *and* the ufo below-the-threshold image make up more than five photons, so not only do you have the skyline image, you've kicked the ufo image over the five-photon threshold too; you have an image of a ufo against a skyline, with a (black) tree that appears to be in front of the ufo.
*But* such a multiple exposure isn't without artifacts. The very dark image of the ufo will tend to take on the colors of the background. Sort of a chameleon effect.
Also, to heighten the contrast between the ufo image and the skyline, you
can develop the film for a longer time (Polaroid 108 too).
Now, take another good close look at the Ed Walters photos......
My opinion? (since you didn't ask)
This process is certainly workable, and wouldn't be anywhere near as cumbersome as masking techniques in the darkroom, then printing onto Polaroid etc. But it'd be hard to control. But certainly workable.
I think we have another valid hoax theory. Not proof, but a theory that can explain photo #1.
William G. Hyser is a consultant in optical instrumentation, photogrammetry, forensic engineering, electrical contact physics and illumination engineering. Perhaps best of all, he's not a ufologist.

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PART 36




[Transcript of an Online Conference with Carol and Rex Salisberry.
Two MUFON
UFO investigators in the Gulf Breezes, Florida case. Terry Ecker
acts as a
local host. Sunday, Septmeber 2, 1990]

User User ID Nod
Area Name
---- ------------- --- -------- -------------------
1
76146,2631 HLV Rm 5 Vince
2 76703,266 DUK Rm 5 G-WIZ

3 76012,3361 BMD Rm 5 Ted
4 71450,3504 ANN Rm 5
Bert
5 71207,1165 PSF Rm 5 Rex & Carol
6 76004,340
QGD Rm 5 Jack
7 70431,3543 PRI Rm 5 Paula
8
72540,1652 DWC Rm 5 Tom
15 74270,3360 SIF Rm 5 DON


(5-3,Ted) Tonights special guests are Carol and Rex Salisberry MUFON

investigators on the Gulf Breezes UFO case. Carol and Rex wil discuss and

answer questions about the numerous sighting in the area. Because the case
is
still on going and also because of all the senstionalist press the Ed
Walters
case is NOT one they wish to debate. Many thanks to Terry Ecker
foracting as
the local host in Florida. With that behind us, Carol? Rex? Do
you have any
opening remarks? ga

(5-5,Rex & Carol) We just want o thank you for having us
as guests. ga

(5-1,Vince) ?

(Bert) ?

(5-6,Jack) ?

(5-3,Ted) I will open the
floor to ? and !. Please type a "?" or a "!" if you
have a question or comment
and I will take your name down and flag you when
it is your turn. GA Vince


(5-1,Vince) Rex would like to know your background and how you became

interested in ufo's?

(5-5,Rex & Carol) Retired Air Force 31 years rasnk
colonel, pilot for 20
plus, R&D last 15 years. POresently teach college
parttime. Have always
been interested in UFOs, just been more active past
couple of years Carol and
a friend saw three daylight disks in spring of 88,
Pardon Terry's typing. ga

(5-3,Ted) Bert is next GA

(Bert) ok...
Rex and
Carol, one of the more significant signtings by multiple
witnesses seems to
have been the one on Sept. 12, 1989 involving
about 35 witnesses including 12
MUFON investigators. The recent
in the Sentinel (9/21/89) suggested that this
was a
"type II" object (i.e. like photos 20 and 22 in the "book").
I understand
that Bruce Maccabee analyzed photographs of this event
Have the results of this
analysis been completed and was the object
indeed a "type II'? Also have your
own investigations involved this
particular event or related events? Thanks.
GA

(5-5,Rex & Carol) First, we doubt that there were 35 witnesses.
Anyway,
fewer than half saw it, and not all of
the MUFON investigators saw it. It was
just aq red dot kin the sky.
One photo was taken, not nalyzed to our
knowledge.
We don't consider that a significant sighting by any means. ga


(5-3,Ted) Jack is next. GA

(5-6,Jack) Rex and Carol , I am most interested in
any physical evidence
that may be associated
with the GB sightings. Has any
been found or is the bulk of the evidence
primarily photos and sightings ? ga


(5-5,Rex & Carol) Many persons have mysterious physical marks
on their bodies,
such as puncture wounds, new scars with no previous wound,
etc. Not many
photos, and few of them show much. We have a few small pieces
of metal which
were gathered from inside the car after the driver was struck
by something on
the left shoulder; metal not yet analyzed. ga

(5-10,Steve) ?

(5-3,Ted) GA
Steve

(5-10,Steve) Rex, As a retired military officer. What is your opinion as
to
the extent of official government cover up and/or involvment at GB and at

other UFO sites, ga

(5-5,Rex & Carol) We think it's obvious the government has
always covered up
to someextent. We have no evidence to indicate government
involvement in
the cases here. ga

(Bert)?

(5-3,Ted) While we are waiting for
the next round of ?s and !s I have a ?
Carol or Rex, just how many people have
sighted the GB UFO and how many have
shown body markings? ga

(5-5,Rex & Carol)
Gulf Breeze UFO is misleading. Many different types have been
seen, all shapes,
all sizes some with markings, some with windows.
Triangular shapes transparent
UFOs, arrow head shapes, cigar shaped and disks.
The GB (Walters) UFO not seen
by many. ga

(5-11,CosmicThAng/Philly) ?

(5-3,Ted) GA Bert

(Bert) Could you
describe one or two of what you feel are your most significant
cases.
Particularly involving on of the skin wounds if possible. ga

(5-3,Ted) Good ?
Bert GA C&R

(5-5,Rex & Carol) Two witnesses, mother and daughter, are with us
tonight.
One has wounds on her arm in the shape of the object she saw, delta
shaped.
They wer standing in their driveway; the object covered their yard and
the
yard next door - about 150 feet. Had a bright white light on front, a red

light on each corner. It was followed by a cigar shaped object with a white

light on the left and a red light on the right; both were followed by a very

small red light that appeared to be trying to catch up. There was no sound.
We
just held hands as they went over us at treetop level. We jumped in our
car and
tried to follow it, lost sight, but seen again six miles to the east
in reverse
order. ga

(5-3,Ted) Any missing time? ga
(Bert) ?follow

(5-5,Rex & Carol) Not
that either is aware of. They were disoriented and
lethargic for a few days.
Hypnosis has been attempted with no conclusive
results so far. Body markings
are as yet unexplained. ga

(5-3,Ted) Bert has a follow up ? Then it's Matt's
turn. GA Bert

(5-5,Rex & Carol) Hi Don.
(Bert) Have the two witnesses had any
further sightings and/or is this a
one-time thing? ga

(5-15,DON) Hello all.


(5-5,Rex & Carol) Yes, many times beginning in 1958 and some since. On one

occasion we followed one to their house and all four of us saw it. ga
Same
object shape etc.?ga

(5-6,Jack) ?

(5-1,Vince) ?

(5-5,Rex & Carol) They have
seen several sizes and shapes. The one we
followed to their house was just a
round white ball. ga

(5-3,Ted) Matt GA
(5-3,Ted) Matt are you still with us?
ga

(5-11,CosmicThAng/Philly) Not on the list.

(5-5,Rex & Carol) !

(5-3,Ted)
Ok Matt, I had you down for a ? my mistake. GA R&C

[NOTE: Ted was having
problems with his CIM Software and CosmicThAng/Philly
was showing up as Matt on
his computer. Hence, a LOT of confusion!]

(5-5,Rex & Carol) We have one long
term case dating back 16 years to the
abduction of the mother in Germany.
Through hypnosis she has total recall of
the event and has povided detailed
descriptions of the craft and the
entities. Th craft was a 40 foot disk with a
crew of six. One had died nd a
second ship was bringing a replacement crew
member. Entities looked like
greys in silver suits. They seemed capable of
emotion such as anger,
compassion, etc. The family has had more than 20
sightings here during the
past year. ga

(5-11,CosmicThAng/Philly) ?

(5-3,Ted)
Ok GA MATT

(Bert) Looks like only Ted can see Matt the phantom.ga

(5-3,Ted)
Ok Jack is next GA Jack

(5-5,Rex & Carol) No Matt on the list here.


(5-6,Jack) Ok...


(Bert) Hmmmm, not here.ga
(5-11,CosmicThAng/Philly) Wait a
second. Ted says I'm Matt. I'm CosmisThAng
and I'm next. ga

(5-6,Jack)
Regarding the pieces of metal when is the completed analysis
expected? ga


(5-5,Rex & Carol) Analysis will *begin* when we find someone who can do it.

(cheap). ga

(Bert) ?

(5-11,CosmicThAng/Philly) ?

(5-3,Ted) GA Vince


(5-1,Vince) Is there any local concern by citizens in the area is there any

local govt concern for citizens safety or is there not concern?

(5-5,Rex &
Carol) Well, we would say that spreading interest is more descriptive
than
concern, although some do have concerns. Local government seems to have
no
official position but are very cooperative with us on investigastions. We
know
of no one who has been physically harmed by the phenomena, except for
the small
wounds we have mentioned. ga

(5-7,Paula) ?

(5-3,Ted) Folks Css is next. For
some reason (probably a CIM bug) he is
showing up as Matt on my list. Oh, well,
GA Cosmic

(5-11,CosmicThAng/Philly) My questions also deal with bodily marks.

Is there an repeated pattern as to mark type or location?? To re-ask Ted's ?,

how many GB folks have marks? Also is there any history or occu4rance of

migraine headache disorders among the potential abductees? ga

(5-5,Rex &
Carol) No identifiable pattern of marks locally, butt call-ins
from other areas
have triangular marks mainly. Don't know how many Pensacola
area folks have
marks. (We say Pensacola area since most events happen
outside of GB. There are
many folks with migraine headaches, buzzing in the
ears. There is possible
correlation with contactees. ga

(Bert) ?

(5-3,Ted) GA Bert

(Bert) Actually I
think Paula is next. ga

(5-3,Ted) GA Paula

(5-7,Paula) If not, any theories?
Thanks ga

(5-9,Russ) ?

(5-5,Rex & Carol) No, but for what it's worth, one
name we were given
was Zorcon. We have another contactee with us tonight whose
experience goes
back at least 16 years and has written a book on the subject.
ga

(5-3,Ted) I want to hear more about that after Bert"s ? ga Bert

(Bert)
Rex, can you describe the metal object (poss. alien artifact) that
you
mentioned earlier? ga

(5-5,Rex & Carol) Very small, BB size, rough ut shiny,
like little metl
pebbles. ga

(5-3,Ted) ANy follow Bert?

(Bert) Yes, does it
break appart easily? And have you looked at it under a
microscope? ga

(5-5,Rex
& Carol) No, we can't break it. It hasn't yet been examined under
microscope.


(5-3,Ted) Since I have obviously been have a problem with CIM software
tonight
I want to be sure that i have not missed anybody...

(5-3,Ted) Is there anyone
out there that has been skipped over? ga

(5-9,Russ) ?

(5-3,Ted) GA Russ


(5-1,Vince) ?

(5-9,Russ) I was wondering if you have noticed any change in the
frequency
of sightings in Florida since 1958? ga

(5-5,Rex & Carol) Can't say
since 58. Frequence has been relatively constant
the last three years. Before
that we weren't here or involved. There are
reports of considerable activity on
Eglin AFB in 1976-77-78-79. ga

(5-3,Ted) Vince is next. Ga

(5-9,Russ) ?

(Bert) ?

(5-1,Vince) Rex, when did you retire and did you have any military
related
sightings?

(5-5,Rex & Carol) 1983. Sighting in early 60s hih over KC.
Mo. We were at
33,000 and UFO up around 40,000. K.C. paper next day reported a
landing in
Kansas. ga

(5-7,Paula) ?
(5-1,Vince) ?

(5-3,Ted) GA Russ


(5-9,Russ) Have thre been any reports of the infamous "Men In Black"?

(5-5,Rex
& Carol) No. Carol had one Man in Black reporting and nother
witness claims to
have seen alien at the MUFON Symposium in July. ga

(5-3,Ted) GA Bert
(Bert)
Your mentioning of a "buzzing in the ear" of a number of witnesses
is this the
same type of buzzing involved in the Walters' case? Also
is the support group
still meeting -- i.e. in the absence of Overlaid?
And if so, how many people
attending. Thanks. ga

(5-10,CosmicThAng/Philly) ?

(5-5,Rex & Carol) No on the
Walters hum, other have hih pitched ringing while
others have moderate hum,
sometimes with sightings. Support group dissolved
before Overlade died. ga


(5-3,Ted) Paula is next GA

(5-7,Paula) Excuse my ignorance (I'm new to this
topic), but what does MUFON
stand for? Also tell us about the book you
mentioned earlier. Thanks ga

(5-5,Rex & Carol) MUFON = Mutual UFO Network.
The book is *Star Bright, Star
White* by Norman Hill of Pensacola. I don't know
whether it's permitted to
talk about the book, price of how to get it. Will let
Ted say. ga

(5-3,Ted) Plug away! ga

(5-5,Rex & Carol) P.O. Box 16040,
Warrington FL 32507. $10 plus $2
shipping & handling this is a self published
hardcover book by a man who has
had many sightings east of here, near
Tallahassee, and numerous contacts with
several different entity groups. Normn
has spent many nights camping at the
site where he has seen UFOS tkoff and land
- the same site where. The site is
on St. Joe Paper Co. land. ga

(5-3,Ted) GA
Vince (then Cosmic)

(5-1,Vince) ok...
(5-1,Vince) Are we any closer to solving
the mystery and does there appear to
be any govt interest in the GB area
sightings.ga

(5-5,Rex & Carol) We see no signs of government interest here,
nor that we are
close to solving the mystery. Sorry. ga

(Bert) ?


(5-10,CosmicThAng/Philly) Got a follow up, Vince? ga

(5-1,Vince) no


(5-3,Ted) GA Cos

(5-10,CosmicThAng/Philly) R&C: You said earlier that the hum
sound
correlated with sightings. Did you mean to indicate that all sounds

correlated (thusly)?..or just the hum sound. Any correlation with the high

pitched sound? I've heard that for years and years since childhood. ga


(5-5,Rex & Carol) The hum, etc. and sightings are seldom simultaneous,

apparently.Correlation is only possible, not established. ga

(5-3,Ted) GA
Bert
(Bert) Regarding the metal pieces recovered
did I understand correctly
that there are several pieces that all
appeared during the same event and that
they are all BB sized hard
objects? ga

(5-5,Rex & Carol) Yes, three of them.
ga

(Bert) ?follow
(5-3,Ted) GA Bert

(5-1,Vince) ?
(Bert) Where were they
found? i.e. on the floor of the car or
"stuck" to something in the car? thanks.
ga

(5-5,Rex & Carol) On the floor. ga

(5-3,Ted) GA Vince

(5-1,Vince) Have
you had any other military flyers relate ufo incidents to
you and was yours
reported?ga

(5-5,Rex & Carol) Other flyiers yes, but not for the record. Ours
not
reported. ga

(Bert) ?

(5-3,Ted) GA Bert
(Bert) Anything new on the AWOL
group? And what do you think of this strange
scenario? ga

(5-6,Bruce G) ?

(5-1,Vince) ?
(5-5,Rex & Carol) We talked to four of them three or four weeks
ago. They
said they know nothing of "Rapture" or finding the anti-Christ. They
repeated
they felt they had to leave Germany but not U.S. Army. Claimed they
liked
their work. They had been reading the Bible, mostly. Revelations.
Possible
they may have experienced paranormal things in Germany. These
paranormal
events continued after they left. They consider themselves as being
a simple
AWOL case. They had hoped to meet Bill Cooper since one of his papers
bears
similarity to their reading of the Bible. They intend to release details
of
their experience to the media soon. ga

(5-10,CosmicThAng/Philly) ?


(5-3,Ted) GA Vince

(5-1,Vince) Pretty serious offense (AWOL) did the army just
let them go and
what were their motives?ga

(5-5,Rex & Carol) AWOL is not too
serious. Most go back. Reportedly Army has
600 AWOLs a month. Army granted
general discharges to these six. Their
motives were to leave Germany, which
they have not yet explained. ga

(5-3,Ted) GA Cosmic!
(5-1,Vince) ?


(5-10,CosmicThAng/Philly) Dealing strictly with pure, unsubstantiated
instinct.
Dis you feel that the GB6 were speaking with total candor. Did they
seem
afraid of saying the wrong thing? ga

(5-5,Rex & Carol) Yes, we thought they
were speaking with candor, and they
were not afraid. We had been aware of
their interest in the writings of
Bill Cooper for several months before their
arrival in GB....

(5-5,Rex & Carol) We are also aware of their interest in
psychic studies. ga

(5-10,CosmicThAng/Philly) follow up?

(5-3,Ted) Follow
Cos?

(5-10,CosmicThAng/Philly) So the GB & UFO connections are pure
coincidence???
Bill Cooper and GB, BOTH?? ga

(5-5,Rex & Carol) It appears to
be coincidence at this time. They came to GB
to visit a friend. They think
their AWOL case has been blown out of
proportion as well as their
"involvement" with UFOs. ga
(Bert) ? Ted got dumped. Rex with all the sightings
by multiple witnesses
I think there are 290 plus now, if I remember correctly,.
has there been any
thought of having an organized ffort to request (or perhaps
DEMAND) an
official investigation i.e. by government officials. I would think
there
would be enough people to sign something that would give it a little
weight.
But of course we know what the gov. position would probably be. ga


(5-1,Vince) ?

(5-5,Rex & Carol) Most witnesses are reluctant to have their
names divulged,
such as the signing a petition. Any demand would have to be
made at
presidential level since decision to withhold UFO information is also
made
at that level. We locally lack clout to demand anything. We consider

ourselves fortunate that so many witnesses/contactees have the guts to share

their experiences with us. We would hate to dry up that source. ga

(5-8,Ted )
Sorry folks I got dumped. Who is next? ga

(Bert) I think Vince is up.


(5-1,Vince) I agree AWOL as such is not that serious but most are just guys

that oversleep. It doesn't appear that they had any intention of returning
and
what or where is it stated that the release of UFO information is made at

presedential level?ga

(5-5,Rex & Carol) At the time of their arrest the six
were debating their
futures turn themselves in to the Army, hide out in the
hills or what. They
repeated several times that their intuition was to leave
Germany and not the
Army. If you believe the MJ-12 documents and the President
Carter statements
regarding UFOs, one could form the conclusion that such
decisions are indeed
made at presidential level. The one case with which I am
familiar involving a
foreign country, the disclosure decisions were made by the
president. ga

(5-1,Vince) follow

(5-8,Ted ) GA Vince

(5-6,Bruce G) ?


(5-1,Vince) If you believe in the MJ-12 documents there has to be a large
scale
coverup and a large infrastructure in not only the military but other
agencies
to manage the wealth of information, sightings etc that continue to
be
reported. This appears to be too well hidden.ga

(5-5,Rex & Carol) It is hard
to know how large the infrastructure might be,
however in personal contact with
former Bluebook workers and others, they
relate that considerable UFO related
information was systematically withheld
from the public. ga

(5-8,Ted ) GA
Bruce

(5-6,Bruce G) This may sound silly, but is there a viable alternative to
the
gov't as far as the public is concerned, to report incidental contacts or

sightings...

(5-6,Bruce G) like a 1-900-SAW-AUFO? ga

(5-8,Ted ) $25 for the
first 30 seconds! <g>

(5-5,Rex & Carol) There is MUFON, n international
reporting and investigative
organization independent of the government. ga


(5-8,Ted ) Anyone else with a ? or ! ga

(Bert)
?
(5-8,Ted ) GA Bert

(Bert)
Rex and Carol, is there anything going on in the area there that we
may not
have touched on that should be considered of major significance? i.e.
anything
new on the "circles" or with animals etc. thx. ga

(5-1,Vince) !

(5-5,Rex &
Carol) Nothin new on the circles. Many people are heaing strange
knockings on
their doors, windows and aroun the house lately. Several
sightings have been
seen over electrical power substations, which mkes one
think maybe they are
stealing electricity. About half of our sightings
have aircraft flying in the
immediate vicinity. We are investigating a new
case of an event of Christmas
1989 where a lady and her car were abducted for
about 30 minutes. She recalls
being 30 or so feet in the air with the car,
descending toward the road. She
remembers seeing two types of entities; two
entities were about six feet tall
with a lot of hair on their faces which
appeared like animal hair. These two
were dressed in white gowns like
doctors. Four other entities were about three
nd half feet tall and about as
wide. She couldn't see their features. Fat
greys? ga

(5-8,Ted ) GA Vince

(5-1,Vince) Oh Rex btw before I forget, FLY
NAVY!ga

(5-8,Ted ) Any other ?s GA

(5-8,Ted ) I want to thank Rex and Carol
Salisberry for sharing their evening
with us. Also special thanks to Anne
Ecker for putting up with Terry on
this CO. Anne, Carol, Rex and Terry thanks
for a wonderful and informative
evening. GA

(5-5,Rex & Carol) Thank you all.
We've enjoyed it.

(5-5,Terry) Nite gang.

(5-6,Bruce G) Thx and Bye!


(5-7,Paula) Thanks all! Bye!

(5-1,Vince) Nite all

(Bert) Thanks Rex and
Carol.

(5-8,Ted ) Matt? Where are you Matt?

(5-1,Vince) Excellent co

(Bert)
Night all.


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PART 37



The following is an open letter from Edward Walters, one
of the
primary witnesses in the Gulf Breeze UFO flap. He
addresses the isssue as to
who has examined his original
photographs. He also indicates what he plans to
eventually do
with the originals.



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July 27, 1989



A few Gulf Breeze critics, and one in particular, have distorted
the record
as to the professional access and study of the
original photos of the Gulf
Breeze UFO. Here is a partial list of
the experts who have studied the
ORIGINALS.

JIM TURNER, Photographer and film processing specialist
CURT
SHIELDS, Photographer and special effects specialist
MARIE PRICE, Photographer,
touch up expert
AL AUDLEMAN, Photographer, re-photographing expert
CHRISTOPHER
STARK, Photographer, special effects specialist
MARK CURTIS & replica
specialist, ABC News
DR. ROBERT NATHAN, Scientist, optics, etc.
DR. ARNOLD
PALMER, Astronomer
DR. BRUCE MACCABEE, Physicist, Optics, etc.
ROBERT
OECHSLER, Analyst of polaroid film and chemistry
DR. MARK CARLATTO, Computer
analyst
VINCENT DIPEITRO, Photographic analyst
JOE GRECO, Photographic
analysis scanning equipment
RICHARD VANDENBERG, Photographic expert
EDWARD
WEIBE, Electronic engineer, computer analysis
JOHN GARDNER, Acoustical
physicist, video tape analysis
DR. EBERT, computer analysis
NBC photographers,
and many, many photographers w/Cosgrove
Productions

This list goes on and
on with others and their associates that I
do not have the names of. Certainly
this shows that the originals
have not been withheld from skeptical study. The
unanimous
conclusion from the above: THERE IS NO EVIDENCE TO PROVE
A HOAX.

I
have and will continue to withhold the originals from people
like P. Klass and
Willy Smith. Both proclaimed "hoax", before
seeing the photos and listening to
a single one of the dozens of
other witnesses. Given their history of
debunking and Smith's
fake evidence hoax (discovered recently), it would be
irrational
to trust the originals in their hands. If the originals
'disappear'
they could then argue "hoax" with their altered copies and we
would
not have the originals to prove that their copies had been
tampered with.

WHAT
THE FUTURE HOLDS FOR THE ORIGINALS

The protection of the originals is crucial
in the support of the
witness testimony. But....the testimony also supports
the photos.
One without the other means nothing. As Dr. Maccabee says, "A
UFO
photo does not a UFO make" .....therefore, the attempts to
discredit my
testimony by the debunkers has been severe.
Distortions and misquotes have been
fabricated with abandon.
Locations and details have been intentionally changed
leaving
the unsuspecting listener or reader to believe that I am a
hoaxer,
prankster, ritual seance master, con man, and all the
other witnesses are
deluded.

The documentation of the precise witness testimony is as
necessary as
the protection of the originals. They go hand
in hand. During the past year
it became obvious that a book
was the only way to completely document my
testimony.
The media stories were not detailed and misquotes only
allowed the
critic to yell "hoax".

When the testimony from the book is available to the
public
and all interested scientists, I will contract with a computer lab
and
have ALL the photos put on computer imaging tapes. The
computer lab will not
be asked to issue an analysis -- only
supply clear, exact copies of the
originals in the computer
format. Requests from serious researchers to study
the tapes
will be encouraged. The originals will be safe, the documented

testimony will be available and the tapes will further the
technical study of
the UFO.


(signature)

Edward Walters

P.O. Box 715
Gulf Breeze, FL
32562



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PART 38



Date: 11-02-91 21:22
From: John Powell
Subj: MUFON Meeting

I just
attended a Maryland MUFON meeting, (I guess you could call it a
meeting but it
seemed more like a mini-convention to me), and l heard some
interesting stuff:

[Disclaimer: I have great sympathy for reporters. It is _darn_ hard to
listen
and think _and_ take legible notes! <grin>]

Maccabee:
-+-------
Said he knows,
by name, 12 other people who have clearly seen the
UFO/Ed-craft.

Showed a
bunch of Red-light UFO videotape. Several different sequences where
something
is seen falling/dropping/lowered from the object. When analyzed,
he said the
odd thing about the 'light' that is 'dropped' is that it shows no
detectable
signs of acceleration - so whatever it is that's happenning isn't
simply a
dropped light/flare/etc... [Newton would be alarmed... <grin>]

He mentioned a
significant GB sighting on 10/30 that was witnessed by many
people and lasted 9
minutes. Because of the duration and the number of
witnesses he suggested that
there could be other implications.

He stated again that he thinks GB,
including Ed, is real and 'the most
important event in UFOlogy today...'
[That's not a direct quote.]

He also mentioned that there have been several
times when witnesses have seen
kites and balloons with flares but these were
infrequent and easily spotted.

He mentioned a sneaky radar confirmation where
a MUFON investigator, I think
he said it was Morrison, witnessed a Red-light
UFO, called an Air Traffic
Controller at one of the Naval Air Stations in Gulf
Breeze and claimed to be
on a boat and 'saw something weird.' The Controller
said they had spotted it
too, had no idea what it was, but were already
checking into it... In a
next-day official inquiry the NAS said they tracked
nothing...


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