*********** The Issues Forum 06/28/92 20:07:29

Terry | Don...
| Has L.A. stopped shaking? ga
DON M | wrong DON GA
Terry | OH, sorry!
Ted M. | DON what are your interest? ga
DON M | ok...
| I'm about to go to England and am; interested in the circles...
| I'm wondering if any have been spotted this year. ga]
Ted M. | Ok...
| I am not the expert on British crop circle but I do know that
| they have ...
| had many. However, they occur during [or near] harvest time.
| When...
| are you going to be there. I will be in Tetbury near the end
| of July. ga
DON M | ok
| I'm going the 18th of July and I know that last year there were
| many at that time. ga
Ted M. | That is really interesting leave for the UK on the 18th also!
DON M | Business or vacation or what? ga
Ted M. | Business, I'll be there about a week. Where are you leaving
| from? ga
DON M | Boston...
| I'm only going for ten days and I will be hunting for circles...
| and any related phenomenon
| Linda m. Howe is also going. ga
Ted M. | Do you have a planned agenda? Where will you look first? ga
DON M | Salisbury area is the best bet. I may rent a plane and search
| as I'm a pilot and it would provide the best pictures...
| I will also try and contact the crop watchers there. ga
Ted | DON, will you be at the MUFON meeting next month? ga
DON M | I wish I could. What is the date and do you have to ...
| be a member to attend? ga
Ted M. | Terry, do you want to answer that one? ga
Terry | No, you don't have to be a member. ga
DON M | Date?
Ted M. | And the date is July 10th. Linda Howe will be there. ga
Terry | July 10-12.

DON M | She told me that she was speaking at the conference...
Ted M. | If you can make it a bunch of us from this Forum will..
| be meeting in the lounge of the Doubletree hotel Friday. ga
Terry | ?
Ted M. | GA Terry
Terry | Don. Are you associated with Linda Howe? ga]
DON M | no.
Ted M. | Do you speak with her often? ga
DON M | ok
Bert | Hi.
DON M | I called her about the tape she was distributing and she talked.
Ted M. | Will you be joining her in the UK? ga
DON M | I'd like that but I will have to call her again...
| I only met her once at last years Omega Co. ga
Ted M. | Well, maybe you can arrange to bump into her. Bet she could...
| use the services of a good pilot. ga
DON M | I'm not THAT good of a pilot but I can land and takeoff! ga
Ted M. | Any landing that you can walk away from is a good landing. ga
DON M | You are correct. I would like to say that many local...
| pilots have seen UFO's and even figured speeds. ga
Ted M. | Tell us more. ga
DON M | I'm slow at typing and its hard to tell a complete ...
| story but I could E mail it sometime if you wish. ga
Ted M. | Sure, that would be interesting. GA
Joe Balsamo: Hi, sorry I'm late...what's happening tonight? ga
Terry | Hi, Joe.
DON M | I'll do it then, check your mail, g
Terry | Don Ecker is here, too. ga
Ted M. | Say DON, [the other DON] any follow-up after the Larry King
| show? ga
DON | Say again Ted?
Ted M. | Sorry, anything happen as a result of the Larry King show? ga
DON | Well, they showed the same segment of tape that NBC ran on HC.
| I sent the tape to the exec. producer and that is the piece
| they decided to run. I had no control over it.
| Now, as an aside, I thought for a while they were doing an ambush
| with Oberg and the two callers including DiPietro.
| The enhanced segment showing the dome and disk was NOT shown.
| I am bringing it to MUFON, and if I can find a place to run it I will. GA
Bert | ?
DON | I was not invited to speak so I do not have access to equipment
| or rooms. Did you catch that Joe? No evasivness, I just flat don't have
| the equipment.
Ted M. | If you can bring it on 8mm video I can play it there. GA Bert
DON | However, Oberg was trying
| to escape a question I had, I wanted to have him admit the same
| thing he told me on the phone after the Hard Copy thing ran, HE IS
| UNDER SECRTY ETRITONS UFO ROSDRDTOA EUIYn was trying to point out
| some info I found out about a NASA and CIA
| project that ran on UFOs in the 70s, when I was cut off. ga
| that was UFOs are considered National Security items.
Ted M. | DON part of that last message was garbled. I got "HE IS UNDER
| SECRTY ETRITONS UFO ROSDRDTOA EUIYn.." ga
DON | He signed and has a security access Top Secret
| He was just trying to make everyone believe he is just a "Space
| Nut" as some kind of interested observer. Bull Shit.
Joe | !
Bert | Don, I thought you did a good job of drilling Oberg. It was..
| pretty obvious he was trying to dodge your Q's....
| this guy seems to be the new Kl ass. A couple weeks ago he was
| on a talk show with Hopkins, Jacobs, and Mack as well as some
| abductees he was really obnoxious trying to put down these guys. g
DON | Yeh, well I got him on that.
Joe | Don, PLEASE bring the tape...I will bring a VCR, I just want to
| see that digitally enhanced tape...
| also, I have spoken to Eric Herr and Mel Podel here in San
| Diego and they refer to Mr. Oberg as 'an insufferable twit'...also...
DON | Joe, I am going to bring it.
Joe | that LKL show was WAY to short for Don to present his case. You
| did a good job considering that what you were up against, I
| certainly did NOT mean to imply that you were being evasive...
| you read my messages out of context and got that impression, I
| apologize, as I said, I'm on your side! ga
DON | Ok, I am gonna say it here just this once...
| I mentioned it twice on King on Friday
| Debris and ice TUMBLE boys and girls, esp. if it is in
| orbit the camera was BOLTED TO THE SHUTTLE.....
| the picture DID NOT MOVE WHEN THAT THING TOOK OFF AT A 140 DEGREE ...
| ANGLE THEREFORE THE SHUTTLE DID NOT FIRE ANY THRUSTERS......
| are we with me so far? To continue
| The object was NOT TUMBLING, DID NOT REFLECT SUNLIGHT AND
| "SPARKLE" LIKE ICE WOULD IF THAT IS WHAT IT IS.......
| ergo, when it took off, it kept accelerating into space. If it
| were just pushed, then it would have tumbled maybe into a different orbit.
| In my copy, it keeps going right off the screen into deep space.
| the photo did not move, just the objects.
| Later on, after event 2, the shuttle does fire thrusters, it
| does move the camera moves, EVERYTHING MOVES.
| That was the PISS IN SPACE DUMP. NOT BEFORE.
| Then there is the STREAK. That is not present when the shuttle moves.
| The object seemed to anticipate the streak, did a right angle,
| and split. This is what they do not want to address.
| The "disk and dome" object is breath taking. They did not want
| to run that. As to DiPietro, he enhanced the tape, and is now.......
| (according to a guy who knows him very well, and who called me)
| scared out of his pants that he will be fired.
| This tape was not to have been released, and it was just plain
| dumb luck it was.
Joe | ?
Ted M. | GA Joe
Joe | So far it seems as if there has been a concerted effort by
| every TV show to keep you from showing the entire tape and the
| digitally enhanced tape with the clear view of a domed object...
| do you know of anyway that this can be shown to the American
| public on National Television? It is a travesty of justice if this is
| not shown all know, the government is up to its neck right now over the
| cover-up of the POW/MIA issue, this is just one more example of
| the fascism that is being practiced by our CIA/DIA and other spook
| groups...this HAS got to be shown! GA
DON | !!
Bert | GA Don. Ted is on phone. ga
DON | NASA and the CIA conducted a project study back in the 70's
| on UFOs, which NASA first admitted, then recanted.
| NASA is in up to their neck with NSA, NRO, CIA, and all the top
| intelligence agencies because of space satellites technology, etc.
| and anyone who thinks that they are still the civilian space
| agency is full of it. Since Truly was fired, and Goldin took over,
| and let us not forget that Goldin has ties to the NSA thru TRW, and that
| NASA has become deeply militarized and black, the civilian aspect has taken
| it in the shorts. These people that think that NASA will tell
|the truth as they know they are not smelling the coffee. NASA is a federal agency, and like
| the CIA, NSA, DIA, FBI, NRO, and the rest of them,
| will do what they damn well feel, and nothing else. ga
Bert When Golden was appointed a few months back...
| there was an article in Science which expressed...
| some concern about the absence of background on him. They called him...
| the "mystery man" and pointed out that he was director of some
| really black projects while at TRW. Since then I've seen him
| interviewed a few times on TV and he seems to come across as all business.
|Hard to say good or bad. ga
DON | Oh, BTW, my guest tonight is Ralph McGehee, a 25 year retired vet. of the
| CIA. An agency critic. Should be a great show.
Joe | Is this cable radio only?
DON | Satellite dish if you got it.
Joe | I have a friend, thanks, GA
Bert | Is McGehee the guy who appeared on Unsolved Mysteries when they...
| did the Bentwaters piece. If so he's the guy who tried hard to...
| debunk the whole thing. ga
DON | Nope, not the same.
Joe | !
DON | Well, gotta run, you all take care.
Anne | bye, DON
Bert | Seeya Don.
Joe | c-ya don
Ted M. | Thanks Bert, I was on an overseas call. Night Don. GA Joe
Joe | OK...
| What do you think the possibility is of we, the civilian U.S.
| UFO investigators approaching either the French or the former Soviets...
| and soliciting their help in these matters?...Certainly the
| soviets need the money and they MUST have information from their space
| program that could prove to be helpful. GA
Terry | !
Ted M. | GA Terry
Terry |Joe, Don has been in contact with top Russian people (UFO &
| space types) for some time now, and Vallee is also working with Russians.
| Don got and published the Russian photo of the missile from Mars...
| approaching the Phobos II probe just before it went out. ga
Joe | !
Bert | ?
Ted M. | GA Joe
Joe | OK, that is excellent, what about the French, the Brazilians
| and the Belgians, any idea of getting help from them?...
| Also, what about forming a PAC to try and get the Senate and
| house to start putting some pressure onto the spooks? ga
Ted M. | Ga Bert
Bert has everyone seen the new file in lib10? i.e. the one describing the ...
| base in northern CA? ga
Terry | No.
Joe | not yet, I'll get it after meeting ga
Bert | It's a very interesting file. It's a report from this Phoenix
| group that also put up the report on Dulce a few weeks ago. No
| names mentioned again, but at least it sets up a situation
| where people can easily go and check this out. Could be more
| disinfo. I thought the Dulce report was a little suspicious.
| But who knows? It's definitely worth looking over. ga
Joe | ?
Ted M. | You know I thought the two files were totally different in style.
| The first seemed more objective, while the second was more like Cooper. |
| Less professional and more like an evangelist. GA Joe
Joe | What was Phoenix's general conclusion, yea or Nay on the
| North Cal base?
Bert | !
Ted M. | GA Bert
Bert | They claim to have done an investigation which they describe in some detail.
| They did magnetometer analyses of an area which they claimed
| showed a huge metal dome and tunnels etc. underground in this
| particular area. They tell you how to get there etc. They
| encourage the public to go check it out they also have seen
| craft going in to the base. They claim that...
| they can't loose on this, because by going public with the
| report the Gov. will have to fence off the area and patrol it
| etc. and that itself will be confirmation of the bases
| presence. ga
Joe | ?
Ted M. | GA Joe
Joe | Has anyone ordered anything from Phoenix yet? ga
Bert | Not me.
Terry | Not me.
Ted M. | Just a cheeseburger and fries. <G>
Bert | They give an address where you can get documents, photos, etc.
| relating to report. Sounds sort of Valerianesque though. ga
Joe | A PhoenixBurger! ga
Ted M. | Yes, it was burned sooooo bad it arose from it's own ashes. ga
Joe | hahahah Well that base should be pretty easy to check out.
| Might be worth a trip up there to see what's going on. ga
Ted M. | Gotta go folks...
| Night all ga
Joe | c-ya, Ted
Bert | Night Ted.
Terry | Nite Ted.

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